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SUVs 4WD & AWD systems explained
1376 messages, Last post on Nov 23, 2009 at 9:11 AM
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 15, 2008 8:02 am) LoL! That sounds like a wimpy version of Jack Nicholson! "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!"  Good thing you put that smiley at the end, however. We don't need flames here.  tidester, host SUVs and Smart Shopper |
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 15, 2008 8:02 am) You are funny. You "proved" what I’ve been saying all along, befor you 've even "proved" it: 4EAT Subaru is nearly are FWD cars. :--) On April 30 I’ve said: "The 4-speed auto Subaru practically defaults to FWD with on-demand torque to the rear. Subaru does not offer an official number even in regards to 10%. Why are they so shy? I suspect there is even less then 10%" http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.eea4ead/1055 Now you proved it! Great! Make sure you carry a fuse in a pocket :--) Subaru keeps its customers up to date with antique technology. Fuses, 20-year old part-time awd systems, 50-year old transmissions, and finally first diesel engine in 2008: wow! Now they finally try to develop a CVT tranny, which was invented by Leonardo da Vinchi 500 years ago: interesting contrast to the Evo's Twin Clutch SST marvel :--) |
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Replying to: chelentano (May 18, 2008 10:13 pm) Don't forget the 112 year old boxer engine and the 5500+ year old wheels. FYI - Subaru developed and used a CVT in the Justy from 1989-1994. BTW, Mitsubishi uses a 58 year old V6 engine and who knows how old of an inline-4 engine. Also, their diesels are a 116 year old design.
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Replying to: dcm61 (May 19, 2008 3:41 am) Geez, subaru still did not upgrade the 5500+ year old wheels! |
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Replying to: chelentano (May 18, 2008 10:13 pm) Yeah, and the heritage from that really spilled over into the Outlander.
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Replying to: chelentano (May 18, 2008 10:13 pm) One is the default power split, which you keep saying is 90/10, but the letter from SoA contradicts that. The other is the maximum torque to the front wheels, which the FWD mode proves can be 100%. You bragged about the Outlander having this capability (why else would you bring that up unless you thought the Forester could not?), well, the Forester does too.  My ramp challenge still stands. We've all seen a Forester with the electronically controlled variable transfer clutch successfully climb with only one axle at a time, the question is can the Outlander do the same thing? Furthermore, the Forester should be re-tested to determine if it's traction/stability control system can succeed at shifting power side to side, since we already know it can do it front to rear. 
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Replying to: chelentano (May 18, 2008 10:13 pm) The Outlander doesn't have fuses? Does it have a circuit breaker or something? I'd love to see that.  20-year old part-time awd systems It's full-time, always adjusting. The fact that you still make that claim shows you know little about it. contrast to the Evo's Twin Clutch SST marvel November 07, Straightline: "the all-new Mitsubishi Evo has hit a snag with its Dual Clutch transmission. It turns out that some last-minute glitches have turned up" Here's Autoblog's take on the same issue: http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/11/dual-clutch-transmission-delayed-for-mitsubis- - hi-evo-x/ Personally, I marvel at the fact that only 44% of Mitsubishi customers are satisfied with dealer repairs, so I wouldn't want to be the first guinea pig to take my chances with something unproven. |
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Replying to: chelentano (May 18, 2008 10:13 pm) Isn't that 60 year old technology as well? Just want to be clear Subaru isn't the only manufacturer to use old and outdated technology. :shades
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 19, 2008 7:07 am) Think about it - the Outlander is much heavier than the EVO and carries a much bigger payload. I was the one that told chelentano that transmission was on the way, but the postponement happened so who knows if it will be ready for the Outlander this fall. |
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 19, 2008 5:58 am) Wrong. That’s what SoA says in that letter, and note, that the word NEVER is all-capped by Subaru: “It will NEVER be 0/100 or 100/0. Each wheel/axle will always have some power. It is never that all power is to either axle.” …also from Subaru Director Mike McHale: “the front to rear split is based upon the lockup percentage of the transfer clutch, which could be as diverse as 90/10 or up to 50/50 depending on power input/grip needs”. Same were said by several other credible independent online sources. What other evidence do you need? Do you really think you know more than NY Times, cars101.com, Wikipedia, Popular Mechanics, Edmunds.com, Car and Driver and Subaru of America? “I guess you can't handle being wrong”. . >> The other is the maximum torque to the front wheels, which the FWD mode proves can be 100%. It proves nothing. The existence of “fuse” interface is not a prove, it’s your wishful thinking. They might just left it for future development. The Outlander, for instance, has fuses for Wiper Deicer, Headlight Washer, and Power Liftgate. Does it mean I can say now, that the Outlander has Power Liftgate feature? Cool, gang, I gotta power liftgate! “I guess you can't handle being wrong”. . |
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