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Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [paisan] by rsholland
May 11, 2008 (3:09 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (May 10, 2008 8:11 pm)

However the statement from Subaru that Bob referenced was actually from a marketing guy who may or may not know the engineering behind his statement.
 
More than marketing; Mike McHale, being the Corporate Communications Director, is ultimately responsible for anything that SOA sends out to the public in terms of product and corporate information. I'm sure anyone in that position will make sure they have their facts straight before making pronouncements.
 
Could he be wrong? Of course. He's human after all. Still, knowing how important AWD is to the brand, I'd put my money is on him being correct on this point.
 
Bob
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Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [chelentano] by ateixeira
May 12, 2008 (9:52 am)
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Replying to: chelentano (May 09, 2008 9:24 pm)

Well, untill they revise it, we not going to make stuff up and we use the available info.
 
I've offered up some new info - the FWD mode for the Forester.
 
Remember, you were the one that said the Outlander could go 100/0 because of its FWD mode, right?
 
For the same reason, the Forester can, to.
 
I'm using your own rule to prove that 100/0 is possible, so the 90/10 limit cannot exist.
 
Let me find a photo of the instrument panel with the "FWD" mode lit up...I'll share if I can find one, otherwise I'll take photos myself next time I see a Forester. I'll go ahead and get the photo of the trailer pre-wiring since you didn't believe that either.
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Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [chelentano] by ateixeira
May 12, 2008 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: chelentano (May 09, 2008 9:35 pm)

It's hard to have an intelligent conversation about AWD if you say that VDC is AWD
 
VDC is just a marketing term, and Subaru did use it to describe the integrated systems on the early Outback VDC and Tribeca.
 
They stopped when they started offering traction/stability control on other models.
 
It's confusing, yes, but they did use the term VDC early on.
 
By the way, Nissan has used the name VDC to describe its AWD system.
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Toyota AWD explanation by ateixeira
May 12, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Paging wwest, paging wwest.
 
I'll try to find him.
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Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [kdshapiro] by chelentano
May 12, 2008 (4:53 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 10, 2008 5:26 am)

>> My credible link is Mike the host. What credible link are you using? A 2003 NYT article
 
Post by Mike or Joe or whoever on some message board is not an evidence. I already posted many links from credible publications. Mike said that 80/20 split was only on 1998-2000 4-speed auto Subaru.
  
So I offered total 6 credible sources, covering 2000 models of 4EAT Forester and Outback (read previous posts), incl. Wikipedia, NYTimes, Car and Driver, Popular Mechanics and Edmunds.com. They all say that split was 90/10 to 50/50.
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Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [kdshapiro] by chelentano
May 12, 2008 (4:58 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 10, 2008 5:39 am)

>> I'm not 100% clear on 2009 Subie system yet, except that I'm guessing any one wheel can power the vehicle. I hope this short explanation helps with some of the terminolgy and concepts. Feel free to ask additional questions.
 
Why would I ask questions someone form a message board who is "not clear yet" and who is "guessing"? I would rather get some credible sources.
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Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [paisan] by chelentano
May 12, 2008 (5:03 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (May 10, 2008 8:11 pm)

>> Believe me if you wish or don't.
 
Well, "believing" in this is appropriate for someone who is into Subaru religion. So, yes, some would believe.
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Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [rsholland] by chelentano
May 12, 2008 (5:04 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (May 11, 2008 3:09 pm)

>> More than marketing; Mike McHale, being the Corporate Communications Director, is ultimately responsible for anything that SOA sends out to the public in terms of product and corporate information. I'm sure anyone in that position will make sure they have their facts straight before making pronouncements.
 
Great point
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Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [chelentano] by kdshapiro
May 12, 2008 (5:20 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (May 12, 2008 4:58 pm)

Why would I ask questions someone form a message board who is "not clear yet" and who is "guessing"? I would rather get some credible sources.
 
No need to rely on my knowledge, just check out the video. I'm guessing the 2009 Forester will be able to accomplish the same thing. Have you looked at the video.
 
BTW, I feel the same regarding one who uses a 2003 NYT article as the gold standard. Doesn't really matter, the 2009 Forester seems to be racking up a number of awards, and for good reason.
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Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [kdshapiro] by paisan HOST
May 12, 2008 (5:38 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 12, 2008 5:20 pm)

An aside, my guess is that wiki, NYT, and the other "credible" sources, all are feeding off each other to get their facts.
 
-mike

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