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#1181 of 1460 Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [paisan] by chelentano

May 07, 2008 (7:03 pm)

Replying to: paisan (May 07, 2008 4:48 pm)
>> At least 80/20 - 20/80 split numbers are out of question.
>> For the 2009 models yes, however, I stand by what Subaru Engineering told me for previous versions from 1988-2000
 
No evidence of 80/20 - 20/80 split. No official Subaru source is available to confirm that. Even serious independent publications are not available to confirm that. Quite contrary: Wikipedia, for instance, clearly says that both generation of Outbacks with 4-speed auto - 1st generation (1995-1999) and 2nd generation (2000-2004) had 90/10 to 50/50 split.
 
If someone "told" you something it does not mean it's true. May be the guy was plumbing engineer at Subaru. May be he was drinking. One guy told me he is rocket scientist and the Moon walk was shot in Hollywood, so what?

#1182 of 1460 Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [chelentano] by kdshapiro

May 07, 2008 (7:07 pm)

Replying to: chelentano (May 07, 2008 7:03 pm)
If someone "told" you something it does not mean it's true. May be the guy was plumbing engineer at Subaru. May be he was drinking. One guy told me he is rocket scientist and the Moon walk was shot in Hollywood, so what?
 
It doesn't mean it's false either, and maybe the plumber knows something. We can each believe what we want, but my money is on Mike, the host.
 
The "documentation" for the Outlander is more than unclear and makes it seem like an unsophisticated system in spite of the switch on the dashboard with no real direct evidence to the contrary.

#1183 of 1460 Re: Any car can get stuck in mud.... [kdshapiro] by chelentano

May 07, 2008 (7:20 pm)

Replying to: kdshapiro (May 07, 2008 2:40 pm)
You making stuff up. He did not say the Lock mode is for "temporary" use. I have manual in front of me. It says, that the 4WD Lock mode is for driving in slippery conditions such as on snow-covered roads or sand and that causes increased fuel consumption and tire wear (which is the case for any true AWD system). But the manual says nothing about "temporary" use nor about AWD life span. If one is OK with increased fuel consumption and tire wear, one can drive it only in Lock mode in any weather, at any speed and never flip the switch.

#1184 of 1460 Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [dodo2] by chelentano

May 07, 2008 (7:40 pm)

Replying to: dodo2 (May 07, 2008 6:57 am)
>> To me, the ultimate test in Forester vs. Outlander AWD capabilities would be to have two test vehicles equipped with proper tires and wheels driven by Kdshapiro respectively Chelentano, on the same test course.
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No, Kdshapiro usually does well racing ladies, remember his story? Racing ladies may even help to win a rally. Speaking of which, Mitsubishi just took the 2nd place on Dakar Series Central Europe Rally. Mitsubishi vehicle was first time equipped with diesel engine for the rally.
 
Volkswagen came 1st. Subaru came 23rd. Congrats!
 
Press Release: The drivers of Team Repsol Mitsubishi Ralliart will receive support from Mitsubishi in the form of a Mitsubishi Outlander. The model was confirmed official support vehicle for the seventh successive winning Dakar team. Ralliart receives the Outlander with major safety improvements, however, the engine and transmission remains the same as the production model. The 2008 Dakar Outlander has also been modified with four racing bucket seats with full harness belts, a safety roll-cage, an additional fuel tank, under-body protection, dampers, navigational equipment, and a host of other features. The engine, running gear, and fundamental chassis architecture, however, remain identical to the standard production car. Carrying capacity is up to 1,691 litres. The exterior is finished in the full racing livery of the competition Pajero/Montero Evolutions. The production vehicle comes with AWC (All Wheel Control) technology, electronic 4x4 control system, developed by Mitsubishi. The system utilizes three modes to match the level of traction control to individual preferences and different road conditions.
 

#1185 of 1460 Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [chelentano] by steve_ HOST

May 07, 2008 (8:21 pm)

Replying to: chelentano (May 07, 2008 7:03 pm)
Wikipedia, for instance, clearly says
 
Until you check back tomorrow and see that someone has edited the page (yet again). Best to always check the footnotes, and still use the salt shaker on those as well.
 
Carry on...

#1186 of 1460 Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [steve_] by chelentano

May 07, 2008 (9:00 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (May 07, 2008 8:21 pm)
While these broads will allow one to tell stories, the Wikipedia will not allow one to edit an article, unless one offers a credible proof. "My buddy told me" argument would not work there.

#1187 of 1460 Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [chelentano] by steve_ HOST

May 07, 2008 (9:13 pm)

Replying to: chelentano (May 07, 2008 9:00 pm)
There are plenty of inaccuracies on Wikipedia (and in the Encyclopedia Britannica for that matter). link
 
It's a good starting place but sometimes I think I may as well be reading Uncyclopedia.
 
For real entertainment, skip the Wiki article and go straight to the Discussion tab. The History tab can be enlightening too.
 
Trust the road report, but don't forget to engage the 4WD just in case.

#1188 of 1460 Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [steve_] by chelentano

May 07, 2008 (10:05 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (May 07, 2008 9:13 pm)
>> There are plenty of inaccuracies on Wikipedia
 
Allright, in addition to those 2 sources I've already offered, (Wikipedia and NY Times article), which Paisan refuses to accept, I can offer you few more. The all say that 2000 Outback and 2000 Forester have 90/10 to 50/50 split. Are they all wrong?
 
http://www.caranddriver.com/import_problems/reviews_special/subaru_outback_h6_3_- - - - - - 0_first_drive_review
http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/reader_rides/1271046.html
http://www.toad.net/~rrubel/outbackfaq.html#Anchor5
 
How about the 1999 Edmunds.com "Evolution of a Revolutionary" article? Is it also wrong?
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=44238
 
So I offered total 6 credible sources. Paisan yet to offer even one. Does he still insists these cars have 80/20 - 20/80 split?

#1189 of 1460 Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [chelentano] by steve_ HOST

May 07, 2008 (10:23 pm)

Replying to: chelentano (May 07, 2008 10:05 pm)
I've known Bob a long time (Paisan too for that matter). So I trust their posts when they say they've talked to Subie engineers.
 
I don't have a bone to pick in this fight but I appreciate that you are finding links.
 
Maybe it would help to compare two systems currently on sale at the dealers in the showroom. Say, the '09 Forester vs the '08 Outlander?

#1190 of 1460 Re: More on Subaru base automatic AWD F/R power splits [steve_] by chelentano

May 07, 2008 (10:48 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (May 07, 2008 10:23 pm)
Steve, I just realized I was speaking to you in the last few posts, not Paisan, so I made a minor edit to the last post :--)
 
>> I've known Bob a long time (Paisan too for that matter). So I trust their posts when they say they've talked to Subie engineers.
 
I do not deny Paisan spoke to them, but we can’t put on record some verbal information. We don’t know the exact quote, circumstances, or context. On the other hand I offer info from several legally responsible and credible publications.
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>> Maybe it would help to compare two systems currently on sale at the dealers in the showroom. Say, the '09 Forester vs the '08 Outlander?
 
What do you mean? In terms of current cars we are doing well, I believe. We have response from Subaru Director of Communications and we have official Mitsubishi AWD data. And I think we getting better learning systems specifics.
OMO, both systems are very good, I just think Mitsubishi system is a little better: true full-time AWD with more versatility.

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