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#26 of 44 We may NEVER see Civic Type R hatchback
Mar 30, 2001 (7:17 pm)
Getting back on topic, I have my serious doubts that we will EVER see the Honda Civic Type R hatchback in the USA.
The reason is simple: it will steal sales from the upcoming Acura RS (the Integra replacement) due any day now. Very likely, the i-VTEC engine that is found on the Civic Type R hatchback will be one of the engine choices for the RS. We're talking a car approaching 150 mph top speed.
I do know that Honda is supposed to ship for the 2002 model the Civic Si coupe based on the current model that will have a 1.7 liter L-4 i-VTEC engine rated at around 170-175 bhp, though. (I believe the 1.7 liter i-VTEC engine may be unique to the US market.) This will be the replacement for the last-generation Civic Si coupe with its 1.6 liter L-4 VTEC motor rated at 160 bhp. The new Civic Si coupe will likely have a top speed around 138 mph.
Mar 31, 2001 (9:19 am)
Good points. Thanks for your comments. I guess we can dream though....
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Mar 31, 2001 (4:19 pm)
The CTR recently released in the UK definitely has the same motor and power of the RSX: 2.0L i-VTEC w/200hp and 145ft-lbs of torque. I don't know if it would steal sales from the RSX because Honda/Acura cars that carry the badge "Type-R" usually come with less amenities, like no sunroof, no cruise control, no leather, etc. The CTR is like the Type-R, built for the track with a heavy duty suspension, brakes, less sound deadening material, etc. offering a less comfortable and more noisy ride like the ITR. People that want more comfort and daily driveability will still buy the RSX. I think the reason they didn't bring the CTR here in '97-00 was because Civic HBs sales were very low starting at '96 with the introduction of the g6 HBs. They probably thought another hatchback version may not have sold too well. I think if Honda brings back the HB for '02 and sells realy well there is a remote chance we might see a limited # of CTRs hit North America although I highly doubt it if you look at the past history of the CTR and usually history repeats itself
#29 of 44 Integra Type R did sell well
Apr 01, 2001 (6:44 pm)
I do know that the Integra Type R did sell out in the USA, especially considering its eye-opening high-end power.
Like I said earlier, the thought of cannibalizing Civic Si coupe sales is the reason why we'll never see the Civic Type R hatchback in the USA. That's why the 2002 Civic Si coupe--with a good number of other performance parts pinched from the Civic Type R hatchback--will arrive with the 1.7-liter i-VTEC motor rated at 170 bhp.
Apr 03, 2001 (1:47 pm)
I just read your post again and that's not what you said. You said the reason we won't get the Civic Type-R is because it will steal sales from the Acura RSX and that's the point I was arguing. You only said the Si will be coming out in '02.. I don't really see how a 200hp car will steal sales from a 170hp one if they 're priced comparably, and especially if one is a coupe (Si) and the other is a hatchback. I just don't see the relation. Besides, if the CTR ever made it to North American shores, it would be in limited #s like the ITR, of which we only got about 750 in '97, 1100 in '98 and 1350 in '00.
Apr 03, 2001 (9:37 pm)
Well, according to Automobile magazine, Honda will be bringing the European Civic hatchback to the North American market this summer, in Si trim to boot. I think the article said to expect around 160hp. And as mentioned above, they don't expect it to ship with the same CTR engine in Europe because they don't want to affect sales in the Acura lineup--which of course isn't sold in Europe.
#32 of 44 Disappointed Honda Owner!!!
Apr 25, 2001 (11:58 am)
Why is it that Americans ALWAYS get the short end of the stick when it comes to performance? I've been anxiously awaiting the Civic Type R's arrival in the US since its 1998 inception in Japan and still no luck. All we seem to get is an under powered Si for 2002 while the rest of the world enjoys the thrills of true performance, being the Civic Type R. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Honda finally decided to resurrect the SI in 1999 and again in 2002 but that's little consolation. Not only does the Civic Type R look better but it handles better as well. C'mon Honda, at least give us the option of custom ordering one since they are in every country except the U.S. Also, I agree the 2002 Hatchback looks terrible (like a Ford Focus) but the Civic Type R tries to remedy this with a stylish body kit, grey headlight housing, mesh grille, race seats, massive brakes, killer suspension, etc. What's not to like? Okay, the HUGE headlights have to go but other than that it's stunning! Any ways, I hope your listening Honda or anyone for that matter. Please bring the Civic Type R before God takes me from this place... Thank you
#33 of 44 No Civic Type R in US
May 04, 2001 (4:16 pm)
The Civic Type R will actually be sold in the U.S.. It will have an Acura badge on it. The reason that the rest of the world gets the Civic Type R is because they don't have the Acura brand. For instance, in the U.K., Honda sells the current Integra as the "Honda Integra".
#34 of 44 It just doesn't matter.
May 10, 2001 (6:04 am)
It just does not matter how great the Civic type R is. For some strange reason, Honda is afraid to dominate the hatch back market in the US. The new 'Integra' doesn't qualify in this segment. The idea is to offer the most performance for the least amount of money. I believe Honda could bring the Civic type R to the states for under $20,000. If they did bring the type R here, there would be no more discussion about the SVT Focus or the more potent Sentra that will be arriving soon. It is really a shame for Honda. The amount of free publicity they would get would more than offset any losses in sales of the new 'Integra'. When are you going to wake up Honda!! I must admire Subaru for bringing the WRX the the states. I understand the response has been so great the Subaru is planning on bringing the even more potent WRX STi. That is how a company should respond to demand. Give people more of what they want!!! I understand the new RSX 'Integra' Type S will cost around 27 to $28,000. If Subaru can bring the WRX STi here for about $30,000, I'll buy one and look for RSX Type S's to drive circles around knowing I payed about the same amount of money for the Subaru as they did for their American 'Civic Type R'. Just when I thing Honda gets it they drop the ball! That is OK Honda, I'm sure other companies will pick up where you left off.