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Hyundai Santa Fe, SUV
#1005 of 2973 Re: New Santa Fe [technikal]
Jun 19, 2007 (11:21 am)
Good comparison, but I will quibble on a few points. I've been a longtime Honda customer, having owned Hondas for the last 26 years (my first was an '81 Accord). My wife currently drives a 2005 Odyssey. I looked closely at both the CR-V and the Pilot before buying my 2007 Santa Fe Ltd AWD.
As much as it pains me to say it, Honda has slipped a little in quality over the last few years. At the same time, Hyundai has made great strides in fit and finish. The '07 CR-V is indeed nicely put together, with materials that feel mostly high quality -- certainly a higher grade and better "feel" than the 2007 Toyota RAV4 I looked at. Still, the CR-V's I looked at weren't perfect. I examined several that had some noticeably uneven gaps between interior panels.
I will grant that the turn signal stalk on the Santa Fe feels a little rough compared to that on the RAV4 and CR-V. That's really the ONLY control on the Santa Fe I can say that about, however. All of the other control and switchgear feels great, and compares well to the Toyota I was driving, and the Honda my wife currently drives.
In my judgment, the Santa Fe was equal to the CR-V in fit, finish and assembly quality. The Santa Fe had a slight edge over the CR-V in "touch and feel" of materials, and a BIG edge over the cheap-feeling interior of the RAV4.
Ultimately, though, I went with the Santa Fe because of size and packaging issues. I love the fact that the Santa Fe was a 3rd row seat (optional, and I got it) that is big enough for teenagers and small adults. The RAV4's 3rd row seat is suitable for very small children only, and the CR-V doesn't offer a 3rd row at all. To get a 3rd row from Honda, you have to move up to the Pilot, which is considerably larger in external dimensions (harder to park and fit in my garage), costs more, gets worse gas mileage, and is getting long in the tooth as designs go. The Santa Fe seems to hit a sweet spot in size -- just large enough for a real 3rd row seat, and no larger.
As for mileage, my Santa Fe Ltd AWD is EPA rated at 19 city and 24 highway, and that's abotu what I've been getting. I've averaging 19.4 mpg overall in mostly suburban use, but I can easily get 24-25 on highway trips (cruising at 65-70 mph). While the 4 cylinder CR-V probably does a little better, I doubt it does 30% better, because that would mean 25 mpg city and 32 highway. In fact, a comparable 2007 CR-V (the EX-L AWD) is EPA rated at 22 and 28 -- only about a 15% advantage.
#1006 of 2973 All this is great...
by kyfdx HOST
Jun 19, 2007 (12:05 pm)
..but, I'm pretty sure we have a comparison forum for the Sante Fe and CR-V.
Let's get back to Santa Fe: Prices Paid.
#1007 of 2973 Thanks very much to technikal and kdahlquist.
Jun 19, 2007 (3:33 pm)
You've provided a lot of valuable info.
#1008 of 2973 Prices from two dealers: 07 Santa Fe 2WD Limited
Jun 19, 2007 (4:18 pm)
Sunroof & leather, mats, cargo tray, wheel locks:
670 dest fee
499 doc fee
21 title fee
1,852.13 (7% tax)
1,848.00 tax, no dealer fees, title fees, etc.
Both can get the Dk Red w/beige leather.
Higher price(local dealer) will have me a hardwired FM thingee installed at his expense ($99) so I can hook up a walkman and play my cassette books on tape.
I'm perfectly happy to wait till the end of the month. Any suggestions?
Can I shave a little more?
#1009 of 2973 Extended Warranty
Jun 19, 2007 (4:22 pm)
Anyone know somewhere they are discounted?
Atlanta dealer is quoting $1595. for zero deductible Platinum. 10 yr/100,000 bumper to bumper
I plan to keep this car for the 10 years so want the warranty. I got my Honda one, after shopping around, for $800.
Anyone know of a discounter on the Hyundai backed one?
#1010 of 2973 Re: Prices from two dealers: 07 Santa Fe 2WD Limited [tuggers]
Jun 19, 2007 (5:35 pm)
The best way to determine whether or not a deal is a good one is as follows:
Go to the "New Cars" section of Edmunds.com.
Configure a Santa Fe (options, color) as you intend to buy.
Look at the "invoice Price" as configured.
Subtract any applicable rebates.
There's absolutely no reason to spend more than invoice on a new Santa Fe, less rebates. Many here are reporting paying even less than invoice (by $1000 or more), depending on their part of the country and additional incentives such as cash back for taking the dealer's financing.
The $499 "doc fee" is 100% profit (read "customer rip-off") for the dealer. Don't pay it. When you add in things like taxes, it just confuses the issue since they're fixed and the same from dealer to dealer. The number to look at is total sale price vs. invoice. (In the case of a new Santa Fe, sale price should not exceed invoice before factoring rebate(s).)
#1011 of 2973 RE: Prices From Two Dealers: Santa Fe 2WD Limited
Jun 19, 2007 (7:01 pm)
25,235 incl destination
865 sunroof pkg
73 cargo tray
64 mud guards
Off this I should expect the $1,000 rebate and anything else I can get the dealer to knock off?
#1012 of 2973 RE: Prices From Two Dealers: Santa Fe 2WD Limited [tuggers]
Jun 19, 2007 (7:15 pm)
In my state(CT) dealers are required by law to file their doc fees and must charge that amount on each sale. However, the dealer can offer an extra discount equal to the doc fee to "eliminate" that fee.
Sales tax % varies from state to state and sometimes within the same state, so one cannot necessarily expect to get final price, before rebate, of less than invoice. Some places yes, some places no. Sales tax of 4% vs 6% on a $24,000 car is almost a $500 difference.
#1013 of 2973 RE: Prices From Two Dealers: Santa Fe 2WD Limited [tuggers]
Jun 19, 2007 (7:47 pm)
That's correct. I'd go in and offer $25,000 LESS the $1,000 rebate. If you end up buying for somewhere between there and $26,345 LESS the rebate, IMO you'll have gotten a good deal.
#1014 of 2973 Re: Extended Warranty [tuggers]
Jun 19, 2007 (10:47 pm)
Where did you get your Honda warranty?