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Oct 10, 2002 (10:40 am)
I'm real close to executing on my Plan B. It could happen tonight, I'm going to pick up the deposit I've put for a 03 Runner. There is a Nissan dealer just across the street.
I've got some price confirmation here and the Sports will be 2k more than a LE (and the 03 Runner does not include leather and it has the plastic cladding issue). Interest rates will be around 7.9% for a new 4Runner and 5.8% for a Pathfinder LE. As my wife is saying: it's a no brainer. She thinks the 4Runner is horrible and she's really wondering why I'm hesitating.
I think I will go for the savings (around 75$ a month). I'll probably use that money to buy an ATV and in that case I'll get the best of both worlds.
The only issue is that the Pathfinder is due for a redesign. It's likely to happen next year and hopefully not as a 2003.5. But like for the 4Runner it could be a bad redesign and they could use the redesing to hike the prices. As well Nissan has nice design but both the Murano and Z cars are a bit to weird to my taste.
#291 of 516 world_traveler
Oct 10, 2002 (11:50 am)
Yes, the Pathfinder seems to be the best bang for the buck, plus I can get the SuperBlack! Right now, an '03 with the Dynamic Control, Floor Mats, Molding and Microfilter is 31.1K (before T/T/T) with 3.9% financing over 5. My wife loves the interior and amenities compared to what we would have got with a supercharged '02 SR5 (also a bit wider than 3rd Gen Runner!) and the engine HP was where my lead foot needed it to be: also, less risky than supercharging the 3rd Gen. Numbers add up; plus I always have liked getting the last of a model run (explains good pricing and less risky aluminum engine than first year out V6 on new Runner). The only negative at this point is the lack of electric window; but as you say, I could just flip it up for the pooch. Now, back to the Runner board . . . then back here for more work on what the best hitch and floor mats are for the Pathfinder . . .
Oct 11, 2002 (10:13 am)
I visited my dealer late last night and he was able to give me a definitive pricing on the 03 Runner. Here in Canada it is very expensive, to get a sport I would have to pay close to 200$ a month more than I'm paying today for a 99 SR5. Ouch. The Pathfinder will only be 70$ more after intense negotiations, at that is for a fully loaded LE truck. The price/feature is tough to beat but I admit that my 4Runner felt better a bit. I guess the Pathfinder is just different and I'll get used to this difference.
I will finalize the deal next Tuesday. In the meantime I have a Toyota rep that is trying to find me a 2002 Limited for just a 40$ more than the Pathfinder.
Funny thing: At the Toyota dealer yesterday everybody agreed that the non-limited 2003 is not nice at all and that the plastic cladding is a very bad idea that is likely to hurt their sales.
mjohnr99, does it bother you to buy the Pathfinder despite the fact that it will be remodeled next year ? It bothers me a bit but because of that I'm enjoying substantial savings and the 03 is likely to be the best year for the Pathfinder.
#293 of 516 lanceg1-Grille Guard
Oct 11, 2002 (7:35 pm)
It's looks like the same one I purchased from my Nissan Dealer Parts Dept. It is a perfect fit and looks great. It took me and my wife about an hour to install. It's very sturdy and strong, but light weight tubing that is wielded in all the right places. A really good match, if you ask me.
Oct 22, 2002 (11:42 am)
world-traveler et. al.,
- got the '03 SuperBlack 4WD LE and all is well. sounds like the runner debut is still suffering from the cheesy cladding . . . anyway, on my new ride, already replaced the factory racks with the Thule towers and load bars - very clean - Adventurer box perfectly mounts and is centered with roofline from side perspective. Front windows now tinted at 50% (factory rear are 20%, doing fronts 35% would have been closer, but wanted to keep VA legal - besides, the contast between 50% and 20% is better than former 100% and 20%). Definitely get the three-piece Black Armor cargo protector described at Post #33 - I did; came in 2-3 days. Fits perfectly, stays in place, things slide easily in the whole way with seet backs down, dog already puked up steak bones back there and simply hosed it down. Waitin' on Phil47 and that grille insert - other than the one he found, I had ZERO luck searching the 'net for alternatives. Phil47, I want one with around 3/16" holes - how small are they on the grille tech? So, almost done now with these misc. final touches: still need to decide on the draw-tite hitch (or some other?), front cargo mats, a decent brand of side window deflectors (front only; do not like looks of rear; tried Nissan part, but inferior quality and plastic was very rough and cheap), and someone in Canado needs to give me the number for that chrome tail pipe tip!?! Then, I will be done. Almost . . . the Thules aways add a lot of wind noise, and because the Thule fairing will interfere with the sunroof given the bar spread I need, I will also have to find a sunroof deflector. [Nissan says there is not one available yet for the '03s (had plastic problems with '02s they said).] Sheesh, that's still a lot to go. FYI, decided against anything beyond these basics - I won't need grille/taillight guards and I'm leery of bug deflectors and such that require drilling, etc. Anyone with suggestions/brands on any of the above, feel free . . .
Oct 22, 2002 (12:28 pm)
Talk about timing. I picked up my 03 LE Pewter yesterday. Pretty smooth ride....
No accessories yet. I'm remodeling my home so goodies are in the form of paint, moldings, coffee tables etc these days!!!!!! Maybe next summer.
I did not go for black, we own a black protege and that cars is very tough to clean, scratches shows a lot, etc. So I did not wanted two black cars..... But the superblack LE is very nice and mean looking. Congrats mjohnr99.
On a monthly basis the 03 LE will cost me 175$ less that a 03 4Runner Limited. I have big plans for a Quad (Honda Foreman 450es). Two toys for the price of one !!!!!
Only a few drawbacks so far:
1)To some extent I preferred the 99 4Runner look in my driveway. It looked meaner, bigger.
2)The driving position was higher. I felt more in a commanding position in the 4Runner.
3)The Pathfinder engine sounds like a car engine.
4)The Path does not seem as rugged. I don't think I will take it offroad as much. Maybe when I'll feel more comfortable with it I'll change my mind about its offraod abilities.
Waiting for your comments mjohnr99
#296 of 516 world_traveler
Oct 22, 2002 (1:29 pm)
congrats to you as well! - before you ruin the cheap carpet in the cargo area with dog hair, mud, top soil, etc., at least order that Black Armor from JCWhitney. It is like a coat of plastic/rubber for the whole cargo bin and things slide in and out so smoothly. I've already used it to slide in and out boxes, 40 pound bags, etc. - a great product so far. Other than maybe blocking those UV rays or protecting your radiator (why such a big hole? couple slightly bent fins already), the rest can wait. [unless you want to send me the phone # of whomever has that chrome tip up there in canada!] Overall, I'm pleased with the way things worked out. I know black always has its issues, but I love it - our other car is black too. :>
I am kind of with you on those "disadvantages," especially the lower carlike stance, but here are some other considerations that told me the glass was really half full:
- as you know, the HP on the 3rd Gen was not enough for me (hence my supercharger idea) so I would rather have the carlike sounding engine in the LE with its better HP - plus, the supercharger would have made its own "Interesting" sound . . .
- yes, the 3rd Gen looks "meaner" in stance and lines, but I think when I look at this LE in SuperBlack and compare to the lower, rounder, 4th Gen two-tone deal I faced, this looks superior in my driveway all the way.
-yes, I don't think it will be as rugged; rougher in the rear axle/suspension, drum brakes in rear, steering is not as fluid, etc. but you get what you pay for and that to me is a "benefit" in an opportunity costs sort of way. . . as I will deal with these all, very minor in the big picture of all the problems with other brands in the SUV world, plus given the money I can now put elsewhere. For example, look at the Nissan carpet and floor mats - very cheap compared to 3rd/4th Gen . . . but, heh, that is a plus for me as I would put in Huskys in either and would rather have the $$ at this point. Headliner is more cardboard-like, but why pay for something when it will serve its purpose just fine. Overall, I like the interior LE better than the cloth 3rd Gen I would have had: wife likes heated and memory seats, etc. Basically, Nissan has figured out where to cut costs without sacrificing overall reliability/performance; that has always been how I viewed their products. It was always my back up plan for this reason. Check out the current Consumer Reports Used cars guide on the shelves - I was very pleased to see my view confirmed . . . very few, if any, major differences between the important aspects of the Nissan and Toyota product over the yers, other than depreciation. I was pleased to see how reliable the Pathfinder has been in the current design - definitely, worth a read! Confirms a good purchase. [By the way, cars are not investments: take the $$ you save and invest up front and you will be better off 10 years later than with a higher resale 3rd Gen but no compounded investment returns.]
Yes, it's not the 4th gen I always dreamed would come out, but that truck was a fiction and we only got a sad disappointment for the price and look of the 4th Gen. So, if someone said you only have 31K to shop with, what would you buy? Yes, a Corvette or H2 would be the fun, dream car still, but for the realistic 31K figure, the best choice (and dream car for that price) is no doubt a fully loaded top-of-the-line LE.
#297 of 516 mrjohnr99
Oct 22, 2002 (2:13 pm)
I can't say exactly how big the holes are on the grille-tech, but they don't look bigger than 3/16" from the photos. I'll know soon enough when this thing gets to my door (any day now I hope).
As for the chrome tip, I'm sure I posted the Nissan Part# in one of my posts this Spring when I purchased it. Do a search of the main forum (under my ID?) and you'll probably find it.
Oct 23, 2002 (6:18 am)
- see post #281; but no way to get that tip down here in states. Do you have a # of dealer who has it up there? THX.
Curious: what hitch do you reccomend? Hidden Hitch or Draw-Tite? Which is easier to install yourself? [From posts on board, sounds like it might be Draw-Tite - but it does not have the step.]
#299 of 516 Try these numbers:
Oct 23, 2002 (7:12 am)
Stadium Nissan (which is where I picked it up):
Hyatt Infiniti (ask for the chrome tip off the Platinum Edition QX4)
As for the hitches, you're asking the wrong guy...sorry.