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#61 of 2563 J-Gate Shifter question by neeker Feb 22, 2001 (7:59 am)
What is the deal with the backhanded comments regarding the j-gate shifter on the Jaguar auto trans? Almost every article I've read on the x-type makes some sort of weird analogy without really explaining what the deal is. The C/D article indicated that they received 'assurances that the engineers had fixed the quirky j-gate shifter.' Can one of you describe what they mean ? Thanks.
#62 of 2563 by rea98d Feb 22, 2001 (10:03 am)
On a Jag Transmission shifter, the PRND go from front to back like most cars. But to shift it into 3, you move the shifter to the left, then up for 2, and further up for 1. It makes a "J" pattern and has been a Jaguar triat (read quirk) since the XJ40 model was released in the late 80's. One of the first "sport" shift patterns on an automatic. While other car makers have done ergonomic studies to make sport shift patterns a little more natural, Jag has done it that way because they've always done it that way. Typical British engineering.
#63 of 2563 Who the heck uses 321 gears that often anyway ? by dmallinder Feb 22, 2001 (10:52 am)
It's not like many of these will be towing trailers or, assuming AWD, even stick in the snow.   Seems like a nitpicky thing to worry about to me.
#64 of 2563 Using the 321 gears by neeker Feb 22, 2001 (1:22 pm)
That's kind of why I asked the question regarding the shifter. When you read some of the articles these guys put out though it's easy to read the bias, its sometimes hard to figure out how it colors the article. I (unfortunately) will probably look at the automatic and wanted to know if was an issue of usage or reliability...and it seems that reliability isn't really the problem, but that its more of usability issue.
#65 of 2563 3-2-1 by giowa Feb 22, 2001 (3:38 pm)
I say 5-4-3-2-1 and vice versa is critical, all the time everyday. Only way to go with X-type will be manual transmission. Anything less and you might as well buy a Lexus ES300, Chrysler 300M, Cadillac DeVille, etc. Why pay more for an automatic that saps power, limits driver capabilities, reduces fun, and just looks to utilitarian??? Hope Jag gets the percentage manual sales up to BMW 3 Series levels!!!
#66 of 2563 Jag Manual by logic1 Feb 22, 2001 (4:39 pm)
And Ford has several good manuals it can use in the Jag. Unfortunately, Mateja, the Chicago Tribune auto critic quoted a Jag product rep who said Jag expects to sell 10% manual. I cannot say for certain, but I believe BMW 3 series sales are at least 40% manual.
#67 of 2563 If you set your marketing sights low... by giowa Feb 22, 2001 (4:50 pm)
All you end up doing is hitting people in the rear. Us lazy Americans need to get off our obese duffs and learn to appreciate driving. Pure driving pleasure comes only in a manual tranny. Those cheezy manu-matics/shiftronic slushboxes can't even begin to compete. Jag had better want to compete with BMW 3 Series, Saab, and Volvo and not Lexus & Infiniti & Cadillac.
#68 of 2563 by logic1 Feb 23, 2001 (6:41 am)
Jag's stated goal is to sell 85k Jag X cars per year. While I am sure the engineers would appreciate it if the Jag X got those sales at BMW's expense, most likely Jag sales will take whatever market share they can get. Ford has the size and resources to crank out 85k manuals and the tighter sports supensions a year. It is going to be up to the buyers to demand them. I know if I buy, I will.
#69 of 2563 Jag X-Type by is4b2rd Feb 23, 2001 (8:53 am)
Although there is something to be said for driving dynamics, let's be real here. The X-Type is going to be one gorgeous car. Frankly, I think it is is more elegant looking and has a more timless design (tied to the jags from the 60's) than the 3-series or C-Class. As long as Jag does the interior correctly, and not riddle it with hard plastic pieces that you can see and touch, the car will be awesome.
#70 of 2563 by logic1 Feb 23, 2001 (9:06 am)
I agree. It is a great looking car. Some of the other posters seem to be upset because Jag realizes many potential buyers are buying looks and luxury and not the sports feel the posters want in their car. In other words, Jag should only make the car they want, not the car the market wants.   Facts are that Jag is going to offer a manual and a sports tuned suspension but not offer rwd (at least not yet). If a buyer wants rwd, the buyer will have to go elsewhere. If elsewhere is BMW or C-Class, the buyer is going to get a lot less good looks for the dollar. If Jag still sells 85k Jag X's per year, they won't miss those who jump over to BMw or C-Class. If Jag cannot meet its market expectations, it either kills the car or re-engineers.

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