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#51 of 2563 It seems to me by mvargo1 Feb 19, 2001 (9:48 am)
that a driver's car is one that performs better than the competition. Besides the X-type will most likely understeer until pushed hard at wich point you will get some oversteer. If you really want a RWD wait until the F-type comes out. RWD and a convertable to boot.   I agree that RWD is more fun than FWD or as a friend of mine calls it wrong wheel drive. However from an driver's perspective AWD should be even better by providing even more traction better performance and handling. Look at the porche carrera 4, the Diablo, and the Nissan Skyline. There is a reason that AWD is illegal in most forms of racing. AWD also cuts down on wheel spin enabling faster launches especially for non professional drivers or people who do not wish to demolish their clutch.
#52 of 2563 comfy or safe? by thebandleader Feb 20, 2001 (1:50 pm)
AWD is not particularly comfy, but it is much safer.   As I said earlier, I have a RWD now, and it is fun, but I would take the safety of AWD anyday. Perhaps those who want RWD live somewhere where there is no significant levels of snow or ice. A few harrowing experiences in either will convince you pretty quickly.   When CD's came out, people insisted that vinyl was still superior. After many years, it is obvious (except for a few diehards) that CD's are vastly better. Someday we may look back and say, "Remember when people used just the front or rear wheels to drive the car?" "Yeah, it was fun, but not very safe eh?" "Kinda like the flat windshield, oil burning lights and front drum brakes..."   (OK OK ... I'm exagerating ... but perhaps not too much...)
#53 of 2563 Fun to drive? by leogenghis Feb 20, 2001 (1:56 pm)
I drive an Alfa Romeo and "fun to drive" is very important to me. (as to most car enthusiasts!) How are Jaguars rated generally in "fun to drive"? I'm not sure if I'm correct, but recent Jaguars are more stately than sporty, and none were available with a manual. The X-type seems to be the first one to break the mold, plus add AWD. I've test driven both the AWD Audi A4 and RWD Mercedes E-class, and though they have power and finesse, they rate low on the fun scale. I haven't driven BMW, but supposedly they're better. Funny thing is, though my Alfa is FWD, it's a lot more involving and fun than anything else I've ever driven. Where does Jaguar fit in?   Leo
#54 of 2563 FWD Bias In AWD Car by giowa Feb 20, 2001 (3:32 pm)
I think some of the AWD partisans are missing a key point. The X-type is a FWD vehicle which was converted to AWD. That is different than designing an AWD vehicle from scratch or taking a RWD vehicle and turning it into AWD.   Check out the 3/01 C&D Preview Report. As they put it, most of the WEIGHT of the TRANSVERSE ENGINE is AHEAD of the FRONT AXLE CENTERLINE! That causes a pronounced 60/40 front to rear weight imbalance, a lot like your average FWDer (which might be as high as 65/35 imbalanced).   There is a huge driving difference between an AWD car with 50/50 balance and one with 60/40 balance. I much prefer the former to the latter. And I would much prefer the former balance in a RWD car to the latter balance in an AWD car. Too much weight is up front. And those are drive wheels. Even taking into account the 40/60 front to rear torque split, no LSD.
#55 of 2563 re: #54 by arcoates Feb 20, 2001 (5:49 pm)
Thank you very much. I was trying to make that point much earlier, that although it is AWD, there is such a front bias that it will behave like a FWD car, no matter what they say. I don't care what wheels are being driven, if the front is too heavy, it will push.   And although Jaguar owners seldom actually drive their cars, if they are asked to, they will respond. The Jaguar is no Japanese car, but it is also no German car. It is designed to be luxury-sport, whereas BMW in particular is sport-luxury. The Japanese are just floaty luxury in my opinion, but that's another discussion.~ A.R.
#56 of 2563 Base price will be.... by akirby Feb 20, 2001 (9:27 pm)
$29,950 according to blueovalnews.com quoting Jaguar North America President Mike O'Driscoll.
#57 of 2563 Base Price (to akirby, #56) by giowa Feb 21, 2001 (6:37 am)
That $29,950 is for a base no-option 2.5L. And does that include destination? If not, that puts real base MSRP about $30,500. If the options and prices are anything like BMW 3 Series, dealers won't likely have any $30,000 units on lots. Don't think I've ever seen a new BMW 3 Series with a sticker under $32K and most end up being 328i at $34-42K. Even the 323i on lots sticker for $31-36K. The price range on 3 Series goes from about $27-44K. It is amazing how many options and how expensive they are on 3 Series. Add a few packages and you add $5K. Thought C&D said X-type price range might be $30-40K.
#59 of 2563 giowa - base price by akirby Feb 21, 2001 (7:12 am)
I didn't imply you could buy one for that amount. You have to add destination and options. I would expect the base package and options to be similar to the s-type. My guess is a nicely optioned but not top of the line x-type would sticker around $32-$34K and unless they're in extremely high demand you should be able to drive off with one for $30 - $32K.   BTW - nice posts lately. Keep it up.
#60 of 2563 I had... by thebandleader Feb 21, 2001 (7:20 am)
I had a 95 Mystique V6 with a 5sp (I know, I've said that before). It was a blast to drive. That opinion was backed up by every professional critic who reviewed the platform. The x-type is on the same, but improved Mondeo platform. The only addition is AWD, which should only add weight to the rear.   My guess is it will be fun to drive.

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