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Jaguar X-Type, Sedan
#1762 of 2594 Shopping for an X-Type
Sep 22, 2003 (10:48 am)
OK, so now that I know the X-Type has 2 front cup holders and voice activated navigation, I'm ready to cross shop it against the 2004 Acura TL. I find it interesting that no one on the Jag web site mentions the Acura TL as an X-Type competitor. What are your thoughts on an Acura TL vs. the Jaguar X-Type? Also, I'll be leasing a fully optioned 3.0 X-Type, can any one share what their lease payment are?
#1763 of 2594 2004 Acura and AWD G35
Sep 22, 2003 (4:35 pm)
My friend has the new Acura and it is very nice. However, can you say front-end torque? Recent year TLs are plagued with transmission problems and Acura does little to fix these. You are taking a big chance. Read the Edmunds.com Acura boards. There are a lot of unhappy Acura owners. As this board seems to attract unhappy people, take this with a grain of salt.
The AWD G35 will be nice as the engine is outstanding. Infinity is doing nothing to boost engine power to compensate for the AWD extra weight. Infinity receives praise for keeping the current RWD G35 weight low. Now they are changing this by adding inches to an already lean waist. It will be interesting to see what the astute Edmunds.com reviewers say. After all, they did not give the X-Type a good review which baffles me.
Why does Edmunds not solicit input from real-world drivers? Maybe their reviews would be more objective?
The G35 interior is cheap and the car has front brake problems that Infinity will not fix. The paint chips, the CD changer eats CDs like Roseanne Barr eats donuts and the rear brakes fail to illuminate in many G35s (a recall Infinity was reluctant to issue until the government forced their hand). Once you deal with Infinity Service, you may buy Jaguars for life. You are merely a number. That is, they could care less about future business unlike Jaguar. All this from a "luxury" manufacturer?
My vote is for the X-Type with the Infinity G35 blazing engine! One can dream, right?
#1764 of 2594 Infinity Service - msiseng
Sep 22, 2003 (5:35 pm)
You continually trash Infinity service. Could it just be your particular dealer? After all, they were designed to compete with Lexus when the division was formed. Lexus of course is noted for their great service. Just curious. I have not heard such bad things about Infinity before but I have no experience with them. I recently rented a new Maxima with 3K on the odo and talk about torque steer. If you accelerated while turning a corner, you better have a firm grip on the wheel as it tries to rip it from your hands. You can't compare a fwd car with a rear or awd car.
Sep 22, 2003 (7:33 pm)
Everything with Infinity is a fight. They do not fix anything until a recall or a technical service bulletin (TSB) is issued. Then, when they try to fix a problem, it is never right. You have to go back two to three times. Some people are on their fifth CD player or second set of brakes and rotors under 15K miles. Not to mention the driver's seat falls off the track and Infinity takes two months to order new parts.
Oh, the a/c units fail within 5K miles and Infinity must order these parts. The paint chips on most G35s and Infinity blames the wind. These problems are COMMON. Read the Infinity Board posts. This was Motor Trend Car of the Year? What were they smoking? Maybe they will work out the issues in '04 much like the X-type differences between '02 and '03?
There is one excellent Infinity dealer in my area: Passport Infinity in Alexandria, VA. Unfortunately, it is a long way from my home in MD. The two other dealers close to my home are terrible to hell-like.
Infinity compete with Lexus..not a chance. I owned a Lexus and service was great across all dealers. A good deal can be soured with bad service. The savvy car buyer knows better.
The FWD Maxima and the FWD Altima 3.5 share the same engines and they both have terrible torque steer. They both share the same engine with the RWD G35 and the RWD 350Z. While the engines are the exact same, Nissan/Infinity reports they have different horsepower ratings. One chief mechanic tells me differently, but who really knows? I just think it is good marketing. That is one thing the Japanese do well: market.
I am so happy with Jaguar service compared to Infinity. My dealer, Manhattan Jaguar in Rockville, MD is wonderful. If my service advisor ever quits, I will sue the dealership for pain and suffering for making me switch advisors. When you have a good service advisor, make sure he/she stays put!
Again, I must add the Infinity is fun to drive and it is scary fast. If Jaguar puts a comparable engine in a 33K car, watch out!
#1766 of 2594 Infiniti=Automobiles; Infinity=Stereo Equipment
Sep 22, 2003 (7:41 pm)
Not trying to be pedantic, but the misspellings are driving me nuts...
Just as brakes are not breaks, so too is Infiniti not Infinity.
Infiniti G35. Infiniti I35. Infiniti Q45. Etc.
#1767 of 2594 Initial inspection?
Sep 22, 2003 (8:00 pm)
My new X-type is due soon.
From other experiences with initial quality, things that go wrong early, does anyone have any suggestions for things to pay special attention to when having the walkaround with the salesman?
e.g. any particular fittings typically loose or not flush?
#1768 of 2594 Infinity / Infiniti - riez
Sep 23, 2003 (4:25 am)
Infinity = a big OK with my spell checker. ) It also shows you how much attention I pay to that car I guess.
Sep 23, 2003 (5:41 am)
I have had 2 Infinitis, J30 & Q45. In MY area the Infiniti service beat Jag hands down. Where the two are different is sales. That's why I walked out after trying to buy a G35 and went straight to Jag and drove home in an X that day.
My parents, brother and 2 friends have Infinitis in different cities, and their service is inconsistent.
I must say, recently I have noticed a distinct improvement in my Jag service. As the market becomes more competitive, perhaps dealers are realizing the one area the truly have control over when it comes to customer satisfaction is service.
#1770 of 2594 responding to post #1763
Sep 23, 2003 (10:14 am)
I find it interesting that you mentioned how nasty the posting are on the Acura board, do this car attract that kind of people? My 2000 TL has had its share of problems, the transmission broke but was replaced under warranty after a 4 week wait. Good thing my dealer included a loaner Acura Integra. Also, the car has had many rattle and I only get approx. 18k out of the brake pads. I am mostly concerned about the dealer greed for the new 2004 TL, my dealer has been very forthcoming on details about the car but is tight lipped about pricing. A sales person at the dealership said the car will sell for full sticker. Its interesting that you own an Infinity G35, I looked at that car but just felt the interior was cheap and plasticy inside. Everyone seems to rave about Jaguar service, does Jaguar provide a loaner for all service? Currently I have to practically beg to get a loaner from my Acura dealer.
Sep 23, 2003 (12:15 pm)
You'll find members in every discussion who are not satisfied with their vehicle and/or service, but you have to remember that complaints are often more common than praise. You just have to weed through posts and determine which problems are more likely to be isolated to the particular car or dealership, and which problems are mentioned enough to amount to a trend!
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