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#1744 of 2600 6-speeds & Very Positive Long Term Reviews
Sep 07, 2003 (12:52 am)
None of the American motoring press except Road & Track has even mentioned the X-type Estate, and they only had two official press photos and 2 or 3 sentences written about it that were taken from other articles. Because the two new 6-speed transmissions are not going to be available right when 2004 production begins, they will be introduced as running changes like the double cupholders or AWD badging, etc., and are therefore not mentioned in the short blurbs that the American motoring press writes in its 2004 new car editions, which only cover some of the changes available from the start of the 2004 model year. They do mention the bumper changes and some of the minor stuff, but none of the major changes such as the BOFE or new structural components, which are highlighted in detail by many of the articles posted here in previous messages.
On the six-speeds, Auto Express recently wrote in their "First Look" at the X-type Estate:
"Gearbox choice will be equally wide [as engine choice, which was mentioned in the paragraph before this one]. Entry-level cars will have a five-speed manual, with buyers of flagship models getting a choice of manual and automatic boxes, both offering six ratios."
U.S. X-types will get the two six-speeds and the current five-speeds will either continue on basic versions of the car, or be restricted to the basic versions of the car sold in Europe or on the diesel. The five speeds may be restricted to base European cars when the six-speeds arrive in the U.S.
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"Great Body, Good Legs, and as with Most Beauties, an Inclination to be Tempermental" and "Better with Age" C&D and R&T respective Long Term raves!
Car&Driver and Road&Track both have Long-Term X-type updates. Aparently, they had pretty problematic cars (they seem to have had every early production issue the car has had), but now the cars are working "like a Swiss watch" and have been "running flawlessly for quite some time;" and they say the only complaints about the cars are the manual transmission clutches, the feel of which they dislike. Aside from that, they are enthusiastic about the X-type, even noting that though it initially scored poorly in their first comparison tests, it was because they "couldn't decide what to make of the new cat," being skeptical about a new Jaguar in a new market, but now "despite a slow start [in their warming-up to the car], it appears this Jag is ready to run" and that the car only gets "better with age," which was also the title of the R&T update. "Editors continue to laud the X-type for its crisp exterior lines, classy interior, comfortable front seats and the ample passing power of the 3.0-liter V-6." An editor's note from Car & Driver says, "I enjoy driving this Jaguar more than other Jag models. The X-type actually feels 'sporty' for a Jaguar." C&D also noted that their car got better with age as well, as performance in the 0-60 and quarter mile improved over time (see, I've been saying it has to be broken in a bit and then it refines itself over time). AWD they said was blizzard proof. They end saying that "after 13 months, it's clear the X-type has many traditional Jaguar virtues: elegant styling, good power, amd a smooth, comfortable, quiet ride." Another editor's note said "Great power, fairly fun to drive, and it feels like a Jag as opposed to a Ford in sheep's clothes." So, again it has proved to be a real Jaguar - they don't even question that anymore. They both loved the power, styling, ride, and quietness of the X-type, and though they could have done without having to have ironed out the initial troubles from early production cars, they mentioned that even the issues themselves "did not damage the Jaguar's popularity" with them so much as having to wait for the parts themselves. Road&Track has been enjoying the X-type Jag so much that they had to include a speeding ticket in the spent money category! The articles can be found in the October 2004 issues of Car&Driver and Road&Track.
#1745 of 2600 New addition to the X-type 3.0 series gets a power boost to 250 horsepower!
Sep 12, 2003 (10:37 pm)
AutoExpress reports that "Jaguar Heats Up X-type," saying that "A hot new X-type is headed for the road." Set to be unveiled at the March Geneva Motor Show, this latest addition to the X-type line features a naturally-aspirated 3.0 liter engine boosted to 250 horsepower, as well as a new lower suspension and body kit with spoilers, etc. (This is probably why the 6-speed transmissions are coming, as they'll be smoother and offer better fuel economy despite the higher-output of the engine. Doubters of the introduction of the 6-speeds should notice that none of the American car magazines, which note the "changes for 2004," mentioned this version of the X-type or the engine power boost either, though Jaguar is finishing the final touches on the engine at this very moment, and the car will be available soon in 2004.)
#1746 of 2600 Model Years: They Might Be MY2005s
Sep 13, 2003 (12:52 pm)
Don't forget that in USA they are defined in terms of when the new model comes out in relation to the New Year. A car that comes out in January or December of 2003 is normally a MY2004. A car that comes out in January or December of 2004 can be considered a MY2005, depending upon how the manufacturer chooses to designate it.
For example, BMW made some changes to the 3 Series coupes and convertibles in the spring of 2003. Those cars are considered MY2004s, even though the MY 2003 cycle doesn't normally end until later this CY and they are being sold along side MY2003 sedans being built at the exact same time.
So if a revised X-type comes out after 1/1/04, Jaguar can, if they want, call them as MY2005s. The car mags were primarily focused on MY2004s.
I have no idea how European model year cycles work.
#1747 of 2600 227-250 Is that it?
Sep 14, 2003 (7:38 am)
It doesn't appear that boosting the HP from 227 to 250 would make that much difference. Maybe it would. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will weigh in.
The good news is that it's obvious that the 2.5L is being phased out. The price reduction and added standard features for the 3.0 have just about wiped out the financial incentive to buy the 2.5. I expect it will be offered with little or no options in economical lease deals.
I predict that in the next 3-4 years, the 3.0 will be the base model. The upgrade will be either a V-8 or an "R" version.
Get ready to rock!
#1748 of 2600 Model Years and the engine upgrade
Sep 14, 2003 (11:02 pm)
They could call them MY 2016's if they wanted to, but Jaguar doesn't - or at least has not thus far - labeled its cars with model years much more than half a year ahead, as opposed to a full year ahead as some other manufacturers do, which I for one feel is a rediculous practice anyway (if you didn't catch the hyperbole at the beginning of this far-too-long sentence) The magazines note that the new front end styling on the Chrysler Sebring convertibles is a 2004 change, despite it having been out since the early months of 2003 - I guess Chrysler uses the leap-ahead model year designations, but I count those as mid-year 2003 changes. All of the mentioned changes and additions to the X-type are for the 2004 model year, however, according to Jaguar's slightly more reality-accurate year-labeling system.
The 2.5 liter is not being phased out entirely. Jaguar, however, wishes to divide X-type sales with 75% or so being 3.0 liters, as that engine is the more spectacular of the two in terms of the driving experience (currenly 75% of X-types are sold with the 2.5 liter engine). In whatever the future holds, Jaguar is to start utilizing the engine blocks from Volvo when the current blocks (both V8 and V6) are no longer applicable for upgrades through the years. A 3.5 liter version of the current AJ-V6 is speculated, but may not come about before the switch to Volvo-based engines in the future. The reviews have just started noting how good the current engines really are, with much praise being showered upon the V6's of late (mostly the 3.0). That Jaguar can get 250 horsepower out of its 3.0 liter engine is quite a feat, as Mercedes gets only 215 out of its 3.2 liter V6, Audi 225 from its 3.0 liter, BMW 225 from its 3.0 liter (235 with the new performance package), Lexus 215 from its 3.0 liter and 225 from its new 3.3 liter, Infiniti and Acura 260 - just 10 more horsepower from engines with half a liter more displacement each than the Jaguar engine, and Cadillac 220 from its 3.2 liter 6. More horsepower is always a benefit, and it should be able to boost the X-type's already top-end of its class quickness even higher. The 227 hosepower 3.0 liter in my car allows it to act like a rocket, especially compared to the other normally-aspirated Jags, and the magazines have all been commenting on how the X-type 3.0 has "great legs" (C&D 10/03) and an engine that gets "universal praise," (R&T 03) so 23 more horsepower will be felt in their nano-second measuring tests. 6.3 seconds to 60 is the time for the 250 horsepower engine to beat. Plus, the 250 horsepower X-types have new sport suspensions and will have the 6-speeds, which will make them more fuel efficient, smoother, and probably add to their quickness. Jaguar is just doing what it takes to keep every generation Born to Perform.
#1749 of 2600 Why Buy a 2.5 now?
Sep 15, 2003 (5:11 am)
If the figures that have been bouncing around are correct, a 2.5 with Automatic, Premium Pkg. and moonroof would cost as much or MORE than the 3.0 which has all of these features as standard. I don't believe that 2.5 sales will even reach 25%, maybe 10% for those who want a good lease deal on a 2.5 manual with no options.
I know we're both just speculating. Hit me back if you feel my conclusions are off.
#1750 of 2600 Lease Deals - bft4x4
Sep 18, 2003 (9:11 am)
bft4x4 Aug 23, 2003 6:16pm
I know it's kind of late on replying to this subject. But, I just found this discussion board today. Anyway, here is the lease deal I got from Crown Jaguar at St. Pete, FL on August 28, 2003:
2003 X-Type 2.5 Automatic w/Platinum metallic paint
$301 + $22 tax per month for 48 months
12,000 miles per year, $0.12 per extra mile
$2,300 down including first month payment.
#1752 of 2600 2 cup holder and voice activated controls?
Sep 18, 2003 (9:50 am)
Does anyone know if the 2004 X-Type will have 2 front seat cup holders and voice activated controls for the navigation? I currently own a 2000 Acura TL and I've been waiting to replace this car with the new 2004 TL. The feed back I've been getting from 2 dealerships is that the car will be selling for full sticker price and cars with navigation might not be available until December or later. I've decided to look for an alternate car, I need front wheel drive and navigation and duel front seat cup holders (both my wife and I are coffee drinkers). The X-type sounds like it could fit my needs IF the 2 cup holders are out. The Jaguar website does show or say anything about the cup holders or voice controls, any of you jag owners can shed some light?
Sep 18, 2003 (10:42 am)
I just bought a 2003 X-Type 2.5 and it has the dual front cupholders. I don't have the NAV system so cannot say about that.