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Jaguar X-Type, Sedan
Aug 31, 2003 (2:36 am)
Nice to meet you. With the way that all of the luxury marques are being discounted with incentive leases and prices, you can get an X-type for about the price of a loaded Accord. Granted, we're not talking fully loaded X-type models for those prices, but some of the deals on certain cars look really good. The two Mercedes-Benz dealers in my area have huge discounts on the C-Class, so C320's (not fully loaded) have been going for Ford Focus money! Bimmer's prices on the 3 where I am are also really low compared to what they used to be when I was looking for a car, but higher than those of the C's that they are practically giving away. The X-type prices seem to be about inbetween the two, though I still see pretty expensive ones too. It shouldn't be too hard to find a nice deal on a fantastic car. Good luck finding a deal out there!
mjc440 - Two new 6-speeds for 2004 X-type
The X-type will get both a six-speed manual and a six-speed automatic transmission that will be offered alongside the current five-speeds for 2004. Sources say that the five speed is to become the entry-level transmission for the car, being used on models like the 2.1 liter in Europe. The six-speeds will be available on both the 2.5 and 3.0 liter X-type models in the U.S., and I believe they will be priced like the current five speeds are now - a no cost option on the 3.0 and a slight markup for the auto in the 2.5 - but that is just speculation.
However, I don't think that the six-speeds will be available for 2004 right off the bat. I believe they will be introduced during the 2004 model year as a "running change" at about the time of the introduction of the Estates or much earlier, but I could easily be wrong here too. Sometime in 2004, the X-type will have six-speeds though.
With the narrowing of the price difference on the 3.0 liter and the added standard equipment such as the standard power sunroof, folding seats, standard wood and leather steering wheel (with your choice of aluminum, walnut, maple, gray-stained wood, bronze-stained wood, piano black, etc.) you may also want to look at it since it will have more power than the 2.5 liter. Granted, Jaguar's use of some aluminum and magnesium in the re-engineered frame and the bolt-together technology lightened the cars a bit, and the new engine tweaks made them cleaner burning and more responsive with the drivetrain, but as the saying goes, "there's no replacement for displacement." The manual and 2.5 makes a fast car, but the 3.0 with either transmission choice is simply a rocket that can take everything on the road save for the Lamborghini I saw yesterday. And in 2004, it costs just $3,000 more than the 2.5 and comes with over $2,000 in new features as standard that used to be cost options.
Aug 31, 2003 (5:38 am)
Nice to see you again! Don't be such a stranger...
#1720 of 2600 Jagboy - 2004 Pricing
Aug 31, 2003 (4:28 pm)
Jagboy - Thanks for the info. Having a six speed manual or auto will be another plus for the Jag.
Yesterday the dealer let me drive a manual 2.5 even after disclosing to him that I've never owned a car with a manual and that this would be the first time I'd be driving a manual on the road. I drove it in traffic and on a winding country road - I couldn't believe how smooth-shifting and easy to drive the manual was - I only stalled it once (in the parking lot). The 2.5 in manual form has ample power - and the engine loves to rev. (I drove the auto earlier and it didn't seem like it had too much pep because the auto would not stay in the lower gear long enough to make the engine scream.)
You mentioned that the 2.5 - 3.0 spread will only be $3K for 2004 - Does this mean that the 2.5 starting price will remain at $30K and the 3.0 will start at $33K? - or will they raise the price of the 2.5 and keep the 3.0's price flat?
#1721 of 2600 2003 2.5 Pricing
Aug 31, 2003 (4:55 pm)
How far off the mark am I on the following:
New 2003 2.5 X-Type, Manual Trans, non-metallic paint (black)
The only options are: 1.) single disc CD player (a Jag that doesn't come with a CD player???) and 2.) Xenon headlights.
I can't go any higher than $24,500. There is no trade & I will buy outright with CASH (no lease or loan).
How reasonable is this offer?
#1722 of 2600 I'm gonna kill him
Sep 01, 2003 (3:16 am)
When I got my 3.0 manual w/premium sound, I specifically asked my salesman if there would be any changes for the '04 model. He said, "No, just some minor cosmetic stuff." He had just got back from a training session in Arizona where he was supposedly was filled in on all the '04's so I took him at his word. I would love to have the 6-speed manual transmission and better sound system. Either he skipped his seminar and played golf or he'll say anything to push the '03's. Either way, I'm screwed.
Guess I'll drive this for a few years and dream about the "R". Live and learn.
Sep 01, 2003 (8:41 am)
I think your offer sounds pretty good and that you'll probably get it for around that price. The manual transmission works high in you favor because Jaguar wants to sell more manual cars, so that knocks off a few thousand from the base price of the car right there. The single-disk CD player is only a $200 option, and most dealers have been ordering all of their X-types with that option because it is very popular - (which is why I cannot understand people complaining about the car not coming standard with one; the 3.0 does come standard with the CD player, and dealers order all of their 2.5's with it too. At least where I am, it is almost impossible to find a non-CD car.)
Yes, I definitely think you could get your deal. A bunch of people at other boards that we cannot mention here have been snatching up X-type 2.5's optioned similarly to the one you seem to be interested in, and in the better deals, they got about $4,000 discounts. $29,000 - $4,000 = $25,000, and I'm sure the dealer would knock off a little more since you are doing a CASH deal, so $25,000 - $500 = $24,500! You've got yourself a deal! That was fun! Some people have even reported basic manual transmission cars going for $22,000, so I think you could easily get it for the price you want.
It's a good life when we can complain about our Jaguars not being the most up-to-date versions out there! I'm happy about the 2004's - Jaguar is staying competitive and making the best cars it can. I got the one that I liked, so I can't complain. I can understand being annoyed with your dealer if he lied to you (or was just oblivious to what was going on, as he should be knowledgible). But we all chose the cars that fit what we wanted and needed, knowing that later sometime there would be tweaks done to the car; it doesn't make the earlier cars lesser at all.
X-type risiduals over a 36 month period have now been forecasted as increasing from 46% to 49% over the same period of time thanks to the 2004's! The new 3.0 pricing finally makes the car price competitive too. All of Jaguar's sales are down this year, as they were "artificially high" because of how they had been pushed last year. Jaguar predicted that all of its sales would be down this year, so they expected things to turn out how they've been going. However, the X-type looks like it is going to be just shy of its original 30,000 cars per year sales target with the way it's been going, and it's still making up half of Jaguar's sales, so it's doing what it's supposed to do even with the dead economy. The article fails to note that X-type was never intended to sell in volumes over 30,000 per year in the United States when comparing it to less exclusive cars, but it highlights some of the new news for 2004:
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat- - - _code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=04872339
#1724 of 2600 Grass is always greener
Sep 01, 2003 (12:27 pm)
That's a good point, jagboyxtype. I can't complain. I got a great car with a terrific end of model season price break. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I hope that the X-type is successful so when I put about 120K on mine, I'll be ready to be blown away with all the improvements.
I picked up the September Car and Driver and saw nothing about Jags. Did I miss it or is my bookstore late in stocking the most recent issue?
#1725 of 2600 C&D and the bookstore
Sep 01, 2003 (12:54 pm)
They're late. I've looked around and couldn't find the article. They still have that "Fourgasm" four-cylinder comparison test magazine from September. I think the article is in next month's edition, which should be out some time within the next week if the store is not already carrying it.
Speaking of magazines, I liked the Autocar coverstory, which read: "Why Jaguar now builds a better car than BMW." Aparently, the '04 5-Series is not that hot to drive, and the S-type is the best drivers car of its class. The 5 was called "average" and the Mercedes E-Class was called "mediocre." I thought that was too harsh, but still, it's about time people started figuring out how good the Jaguars really are. We've known this for years, but it took the automotive press long enough to figure out. Autospies even found the article, and did their own writeup as well:
Here's a scan of the cover of that edition of Autocar:
http://a298.g.akamai.net/7/298/5382/082903015613/www.eletra.com/a- - - - - utospies/word_images/9964712_image001.jpg
I'm wondering what happened with the press, since all the Jags are getting good writeups when they used to always get the lowest scores in the pack. I guess Jaguar finally began paying them off. Even the XK8 got rated third in the latest Road & Track comparison, but the best it used to be able to do was last place, even behind the Ford Thunderbird. It seemed as if the magazine editors would have rated a Miata over the XK. But now, one of the editors is looking for a used XK8 that he can afford - but they've tested the XK8 so many times I can't count them all, why would they just figure this out now? Wouldn't that editor have purchased a used one already if he liked it from another test. Surely all of the tests of the supercharged XKR convertible that came out months and years before this one would have inspired him to go get one more than yet another drive in the normal XK8? Not that I am complaining about this. I'm very happy about the good writeups for all the Jags, but the way they change their minds and suddenly are all-for the underdog Jaguars only fuels my suspicion that everything the automotive press says has some other motive behind it... I just can't put my finger on it yet, but I'm looking for patterns in their behavior... I probably just jinxed the Jags.
#1726 of 2600 Not For Nothing
Sep 01, 2003 (1:39 pm)
But doesn't this new price decrease really hurt the resale value of the prior 2 years..?...I am looking to get into an X 3.0. The dealer was discounting 4500 off the top. He also had some left over 02's and 03's...I am wondering what a fair discount price is considering the new prices. I live in CT...Thanx for any input..Rod
#1727 of 2600 2004 6-Speed
Sep 01, 2003 (6:04 pm)
Jagboy - As always, thanks for the info. I had the same problem as Toofragus - the salesman at the dealer knew nothing about the changes for 2004.
Two questions for anyone who can answer:
1.) Approx when will the 6-speed be available (Jagboy was right in saying it would not be available in the early 2004s - so how long will we need to wait)
2.) The option Xenon headlamps - are they located in the outer headlight assemblies? In the 2003 brochure, it mentions the optional Xenon lights but shows a picture of the inner headlight assembly. Is this a misprint in the brochure?