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#1715 of 2594 I hate to double post like this, but I just found out that...
Aug 30, 2003 (9:44 am)
...the new 2004 X-type 3.0 liters have a $2975 price decrease on them, but now include over $2000 in more standard equipment such as the power sunroof, split-folding rear seats, and the wood-rim steering wheel! This is no doubt a very good attempt at lowering the significant price gap between the 2.5 and 3.0 liter versions of the car, which they have cut in half with the new prices. The X-type now features one of the lowest price gaps of its competitors between its two larger gasoline engine choices. With the introduction of the redone 2004 X-type and all of its new features and pricing, the new X-type Estates (which I've heard have a good chance of arriving in the U.S.), and a new diesel version of the X-type that is smoother than its German rivals while achieving 50 miles per gallon, and special edition versions such as the X-type LS, Indianappolis, and spied JSVO model, it looks like Jaguar is finally going at the X-type's market full throttle. Oh yeah, Jaguar also added a completely new standard sound system to the new 2004 X-type, which is supposed to completely blow the old one away and included more speakers with more power.
The most recent edition of Car&Driver, which is on newstands today, just finished a long-term review of their 2002 X-type. Though they had some of the old 2002 issues that have all been fixed, they gave the car a sparkling review according to those who have read it (I have yet to view the article). They also conducted an extensive AWD test, taking the car through a harsh Michigan winter and give it a "very positive review," also praising the car's styling, luxury, and surprisingly powerful engine.
Hey msiseng, if you are looking to have a 3.0 liter X-type instead of that 2.5 of yours, of which the only hinderance seems to be the lack of power in the smaller engine you've got, it looks like a 2004 3.0 could be on your list with the significant price change and added standard equipment!
Aug 30, 2003 (11:12 am)
I actually started this discussion a couple of years ago. It is cool to see that it caught on.
I'm going to Phoenix tomorrow to car shop for my new wife. We had discounted the X-type because of our budget, so we were looking at the RSX, the Eclipse and the Accord.
...I got this email from Jaguar mentioning the lease special mentioned above, 279 a month. I've always been scared of leases having heard negative things about them from private individuals (I know they're great for businesses).
My wife LOVES Jaguars, as do I. The cool part is, in Phoenix there is a Jaguar dealer next door to the Acura dealer I was headed for.
I am planning on checking it out, but was wondering if people had had any good or bad experiences with leases.
When the concept first appeared for the X-type, I was very excited. At the time I had a decked out Mercury Mystique (also based on the Mondeo) and thought that any car which improved on that already awesome platform would be great.
#1717 of 2594 2004 6 Speed?
Aug 30, 2003 (6:46 pm)
Does anyone know if there will be a 6 speed manual available with the 2.5 X-Type for 2004? If so will this be standard equipment (& replace the 5 speed?)
By the way, when are the 2004s going to be available?
Aug 31, 2003 (3:36 am)
Nice to meet you. With the way that all of the luxury marques are being discounted with incentive leases and prices, you can get an X-type for about the price of a loaded Accord. Granted, we're not talking fully loaded X-type models for those prices, but some of the deals on certain cars look really good. The two Mercedes-Benz dealers in my area have huge discounts on the C-Class, so C320's (not fully loaded) have been going for Ford Focus money! Bimmer's prices on the 3 where I am are also really low compared to what they used to be when I was looking for a car, but higher than those of the C's that they are practically giving away. The X-type prices seem to be about inbetween the two, though I still see pretty expensive ones too. It shouldn't be too hard to find a nice deal on a fantastic car. Good luck finding a deal out there!
mjc440 - Two new 6-speeds for 2004 X-type
The X-type will get both a six-speed manual and a six-speed automatic transmission that will be offered alongside the current five-speeds for 2004. Sources say that the five speed is to become the entry-level transmission for the car, being used on models like the 2.1 liter in Europe. The six-speeds will be available on both the 2.5 and 3.0 liter X-type models in the U.S., and I believe they will be priced like the current five speeds are now - a no cost option on the 3.0 and a slight markup for the auto in the 2.5 - but that is just speculation.
However, I don't think that the six-speeds will be available for 2004 right off the bat. I believe they will be introduced during the 2004 model year as a "running change" at about the time of the introduction of the Estates or much earlier, but I could easily be wrong here too. Sometime in 2004, the X-type will have six-speeds though.
With the narrowing of the price difference on the 3.0 liter and the added standard equipment such as the standard power sunroof, folding seats, standard wood and leather steering wheel (with your choice of aluminum, walnut, maple, gray-stained wood, bronze-stained wood, piano black, etc.) you may also want to look at it since it will have more power than the 2.5 liter. Granted, Jaguar's use of some aluminum and magnesium in the re-engineered frame and the bolt-together technology lightened the cars a bit, and the new engine tweaks made them cleaner burning and more responsive with the drivetrain, but as the saying goes, "there's no replacement for displacement." The manual and 2.5 makes a fast car, but the 3.0 with either transmission choice is simply a rocket that can take everything on the road save for the Lamborghini I saw yesterday. And in 2004, it costs just $3,000 more than the 2.5 and comes with over $2,000 in new features as standard that used to be cost options.
Aug 31, 2003 (6:38 am)
Nice to see you again! Don't be such a stranger...
#1720 of 2594 Jagboy - 2004 Pricing
Aug 31, 2003 (5:28 pm)
Jagboy - Thanks for the info. Having a six speed manual or auto will be another plus for the Jag.
Yesterday the dealer let me drive a manual 2.5 even after disclosing to him that I've never owned a car with a manual and that this would be the first time I'd be driving a manual on the road. I drove it in traffic and on a winding country road - I couldn't believe how smooth-shifting and easy to drive the manual was - I only stalled it once (in the parking lot). The 2.5 in manual form has ample power - and the engine loves to rev. (I drove the auto earlier and it didn't seem like it had too much pep because the auto would not stay in the lower gear long enough to make the engine scream.)
You mentioned that the 2.5 - 3.0 spread will only be $3K for 2004 - Does this mean that the 2.5 starting price will remain at $30K and the 3.0 will start at $33K? - or will they raise the price of the 2.5 and keep the 3.0's price flat?
#1721 of 2594 2003 2.5 Pricing
Aug 31, 2003 (5:55 pm)
How far off the mark am I on the following:
New 2003 2.5 X-Type, Manual Trans, non-metallic paint (black)
The only options are: 1.) single disc CD player (a Jag that doesn't come with a CD player???) and 2.) Xenon headlights.
I can't go any higher than $24,500. There is no trade & I will buy outright with CASH (no lease or loan).
How reasonable is this offer?
#1722 of 2594 I'm gonna kill him
Sep 01, 2003 (4:16 am)
When I got my 3.0 manual w/premium sound, I specifically asked my salesman if there would be any changes for the '04 model. He said, "No, just some minor cosmetic stuff." He had just got back from a training session in Arizona where he was supposedly was filled in on all the '04's so I took him at his word. I would love to have the 6-speed manual transmission and better sound system. Either he skipped his seminar and played golf or he'll say anything to push the '03's. Either way, I'm screwed.
Guess I'll drive this for a few years and dream about the "R". Live and learn.
Sep 01, 2003 (9:41 am)
I think your offer sounds pretty good and that you'll probably get it for around that price. The manual transmission works high in you favor because Jaguar wants to sell more manual cars, so that knocks off a few thousand from the base price of the car right there. The single-disk CD player is only a $200 option, and most dealers have been ordering all of their X-types with that option because it is very popular - (which is why I cannot understand people complaining about the car not coming standard with one; the 3.0 does come standard with the CD player, and dealers order all of their 2.5's with it too. At least where I am, it is almost impossible to find a non-CD car.)
Yes, I definitely think you could get your deal. A bunch of people at other boards that we cannot mention here have been snatching up X-type 2.5's optioned similarly to the one you seem to be interested in, and in the better deals, they got about $4,000 discounts. $29,000 - $4,000 = $25,000, and I'm sure the dealer would knock off a little more since you are doing a CASH deal, so $25,000 - $500 = $24,500! You've got yourself a deal! That was fun! Some people have even reported basic manual transmission cars going for $22,000, so I think you could easily get it for the price you want.
It's a good life when we can complain about our Jaguars not being the most up-to-date versions out there! I'm happy about the 2004's - Jaguar is staying competitive and making the best cars it can. I got the one that I liked, so I can't complain. I can understand being annoyed with your dealer if he lied to you (or was just oblivious to what was going on, as he should be knowledgible). But we all chose the cars that fit what we wanted and needed, knowing that later sometime there would be tweaks done to the car; it doesn't make the earlier cars lesser at all.
X-type risiduals over a 36 month period have now been forecasted as increasing from 46% to 49% over the same period of time thanks to the 2004's! The new 3.0 pricing finally makes the car price competitive too. All of Jaguar's sales are down this year, as they were "artificially high" because of how they had been pushed last year. Jaguar predicted that all of its sales would be down this year, so they expected things to turn out how they've been going. However, the X-type looks like it is going to be just shy of its original 30,000 cars per year sales target with the way it's been going, and it's still making up half of Jaguar's sales, so it's doing what it's supposed to do even with the dead economy. The article fails to note that X-type was never intended to sell in volumes over 30,000 per year in the United States when comparing it to less exclusive cars, but it highlights some of the new news for 2004:
http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat- - - _code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=04872339
#1724 of 2594 Grass is always greener
Sep 01, 2003 (1:27 pm)
That's a good point, jagboyxtype. I can't complain. I got a great car with a terrific end of model season price break. You can't have your cake and eat it too. I hope that the X-type is successful so when I put about 120K on mine, I'll be ready to be blown away with all the improvements.
I picked up the September Car and Driver and saw nothing about Jags. Did I miss it or is my bookstore late in stocking the most recent issue?