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Jaguar X-Type, Sedan
#1695 of 2600 jeff5302- '03 v. '04 X-type
Aug 22, 2003 (7:57 am)
First off, I'm glad I could be helpful to you in some way, since that's what these boards are all about. Thank you for taking all the time to read what I post, as I know going through my massive messages is a lot of work.
Now to your question. A lot of other posters have given good input, and I would say that the choice between a 2003 and a 2004 would be one made based upon your wants and needs, especially in the gadgets category and when you need to have your new car. For the most part, the current X-type and the new 2004 are generally the same car, though the 2004 does still have the bolt-on-front-end and other structural changes that could make it less expensive to repair in the event of an accident than the current model. The 2004 is also supposed to be lighter than the current car because of the structural enhancements and more aluminum and magneseum used throughout the structure. I don't have weight numbers for the new 2004 cars, and while some sources say the weight loss should gain the car some more performance, from what I know so far, it is not a massive weight loss that occured, though it may have been enough for added performance when coupled to the other updates.
The engines have been slightly refined for 2004 from what I know, so they may be more responsive (which is difficult to imagine with a nice broken-in 3.0 liter!). We also know now that with the introduction of the new Estate models also come two new six-speed transmissions for the entire range, though I don't believe they will be available on the earliest 2004's until at least the Estates make a production debut later into that year. The current five-speeds will also still be available alongside the new 6-speeds; in Europe they will still be used on entry-level X-types, so the new transmissions are not making the current ones obsolete in any way. They just offer the purchaser more choice.
Those enhancements to the structure, engine, and later the transmission (aside from the extra gear), may or may not be very aparent to the driver of the car over a 2003 model, but if they are enough to make one wish for a 2004, I would suggest waiting for the 2004 so that you can have the perfect car for you.
If those differences are not enough to sway you from the attractive lower prices on the 2003's and the Jaguar Sales Event that is going on to clear the dealers of 2003 models before 2004's arrive, then the new features that are available on the 2004's might. Everything from foreward ultra-sonic sensors to memory seats and new headrests with more positions in more directions to trim options everywhere from real racing XK180-like aluminum, carbon fiber, piano black, to the traditional woods should be available. There are many more features for 2004, but the current options available on 2003 cars are still very plentiful, and running changes such as the new dual cupholders, etc. are available now on current 2003 cars. It all just depends on what powertrain options you want, and which features you want. If you feel that you really must have and really want some of the features and options and new structural enhancements and drivetrain changes found in the 2004 models, I would suggest waiting for them simply so that you can have the exact car you want to exact specifications and be the happiest you can be with your fantastic new car. If the 2003's have all the features and options you want already - at least for the most part - and their lower prices and the sales event are factored in, then I would definitely suggest going that way. In the end, it is really all your choice, but I hope that perhaps looking at the factors this way helps you decide which way to go. Either way, you are getting a really great car that is as fun and exciting to drive as it is just to look at, and one that offers tangible luxury features and timeless styling that cannot be touched by anyone, not to mention standard AWD handling. It's all just a question of whether or not the current cars have all the features you want and how long you are willing to wait if you feel you must have features only available for '04, and whether or not the current low prices are a factor. If a 2003 has most everything you want and it has the great prices right now, then go get one! If you just must have memory seats for some reason, then wait.
Note that Jaguar makes running changes to its cars all the time, so 2004 model year changes such as the dual cup holders actually appeared as running changes in 2003 models available now. The current 2003's are almost like 2004's in most every respect but with fantastic prices on them. Jaguar also always upgrades the programming of the cars at every service, so no matter what year your car is, it will have the latest codes and work like the newest cars. You can't go wrong either way, but the prices and content in 2003 cars look pretty attractive right now. I've had my 2002 X-type since March of 2002, and even though it is not a nice new 2003 or a 2004, I have been nothing but completely satisfied and ecstatic about it in every way. I'm sure the same experience will be had by you no matter which model year you get if you choose to get an X-type. Have fun car shopping!
#1697 of 2600 Unleash a Jaguar
Aug 23, 2003 (2:16 pm)
Has anyone leased an X type for the National Ad price of $1,999 down and $279pm for the manual transmission. Need some feedback, as I went to lease one today and of course there was only an automatic available which is fine, however the payment more than doubled. I was paying $500 over invoice. I am aware there is not the $2,000 dealer cash on the auto, however that does not constitute a $300 per month jump. I am ready to purchase today. Thanks all. BTW this dealer had an 02 left over - any wonder !
#1698 of 2600 Unleash anything?
Aug 24, 2003 (7:30 am)
I just started looking for that $1,999 $279 per month to. I will post if any dealer stands up to the ad.
Aug 24, 2003 (9:23 am)
I don't think it is the matter of whether a dealer stands up to the deal, but rather if they have the car in stock to make the deal. When I bought my XType at the end of 2001, similar deals were being advertised. It was $2499 down and $289 per mo. It got my attention and we went to the closest dealer the next day. The car turned out to be a 2.5 manual with no options. This is what the fine print says of course. This dealer did have a couple in stock but my wife didn't want the manual and I didn't want the 2.5, I wanted the 3.0 and I wanted a sunroof. Well I ended up leasing the 3.0 with everything we wanted and have been happy ever since. Of course my payment was about $160 more per mo than the ad payment but the ad worked. It got me into the dealer and test driving the car. I'd rather have a loaded VW Passat then a stripped down 2.5 anyway.
#1700 of 2600 Lease Deals
Aug 24, 2003 (9:45 am)
Thanks for the post. You still got a good deal on your 3.0. I see you are in CA, what dealer did you purchase from ? Of course, Ads do a great job getting us into the dealership and many times we buy something else. It's just a comparable deal we are looking for. I was quoted $635 with tax for a vehicle with an MSRP of $33,520 selling for $31,659. I could purchase at a low APR for less than that. Our credit is excellent so it is not a case of "not all buyers will qualify". I figured their profit was probably around $4,000. I will continue my quest on Monday by calling some Fleet Managers to locate a Jaguar I may like.
#1701 of 2600 bft4x4 - leasing
Aug 24, 2003 (12:54 pm)
Yes, that sounds very high. My car stickered at $41K and the dealer knocked off 5K and my payment was still $440 plus tax for 39 months through Jaguar Credit. I bought my car at Alverez Jaguar in Riverside. They had a great selection and the owner was very customer oriented. The Internet/fleet sales mgr. is Paul Johnson. Very easy to deal with. Of course I don't know where you are in Calif. I have excellent credit too and you should definitely get a better quote than you have so far.
Aug 24, 2003 (3:25 pm)
Thanks for the post. I am in San Diego where there is only one Jaguar dealer. I received a call from Galpin. Quoted $3,000 down $370pm plus tax for 36mo. MSRP $33,320 selling for 3% over invoice. They have the color I want BRG/tan auto with moonroof. Shame I have to drive so far to buy a car. Anyone in So Cal that wants the ad $279 per month, they have several in stock.
#1703 of 2600 Is the lease price I got to good to be true?
Aug 24, 2003 (6:57 pm)
Hi all, I am looking at an 2003 X Type 2.5L with Auto Package, Moonroof and X1 Premium package.
The dealer quoted my $ 413 month with no money down at all. This seems to good to be true. Is it?
Also, the sound system is not great, but the Alpine Premium Package is over $ 1,000 is it worth it?
Aug 24, 2003 (9:58 pm)
"Also, the sound system is not great, but the Alpine Premium Package is over $ 1,000 is it worth it?"
Are you referring to radio reception or just the setup, number, or quality of the speakers in the standard system? I've found the normal system to be good, and while radio reception is lacking in the U.S. setting, I know a quick fix for that. The Alpine optional system is IMO, very good, and it beat out the Lexus M.L. system, taking top honors, in an independent test I read (I wish I had kept the article, but I'm more interested in the actual cars than their sound systems). If you don't like the standard system, I'd say the optional Alpine one is probably worth it, especially if you are going to be using it often for music instead of radio talk shows, etc. Spend a little extra and have the perfect car for you! You'll be happier in the longrun if the car is to the specification that fits you the best.