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You are in the Jaguar X-Type Forum.What is this discussion about? Jaguar X-Type, Sedan
#1657 of 2594 neuroguy - re: Halewood by jagboyxtype
Jul 23, 2003 (9:13 am)
Um, my actual quote was "of the best in the industry," which is quite different from "THE best in the industry." Stop misreading things, please. The fact stands that since Halewood got its act together, it has been rated the number one facility in the FoMoCo, and that more models are being moved to Halewood primarily because of its current quality and adapted production policies versus other PAG products's factories only underscores that Halewood is OF - as in among - the best. I did not ever say it was the very best facility in the world; a niche maker's factory has much more hands-on production (as is proper for a Jaguar) than the huge Toyota cookie-stamping facilities, which gives the niche cars a bit more character v. appliance characteristics.Check out what's being said in the media of Halewood's current production quality, etc. Here are two quotes I just took out of articles that popped up out of quick google searches:
+"Well done to the Halewood workforce. It shows they can compete with the best and their hard work has secured the long-term future of the plant."
+"Assembly of Britain's best selling 4x4, the Land Rover Freelander, will transfer
mid-decade to Halewood on Merseyside with the next generation model. The
Halewood plant, one of the highest performing plants in the Ford Motor Company,
will build the Freelander alongside Jaguar's highest volume premium product -
the award-winning X-Type."
The new management at Halewood told them to shape up and get quality and production right, threatening that if that did not occur quickly, the plant would not be recommended for future vehicles or possibly even continued production of X-type, which would have been moved elsewhere in England. X-type quality skyrocketed with newly adopted rules at Halewood; Jaguar jumped up the J.D. Powers dependability and quality surveys, and is the highest ranked European luxury car maker on the list.
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timbesq & alpineman:
Jaguar is trying to move all of its 2003 cars off the lots to make room for the 2004's to arrive. Diesel introductions and the high modifications to cars such as the 2004 S-type (new rear end, new hood/bonnet, other upgrades) and 2004 X-type (new trunk/boot plinth design, new trims, more interior materials and colors available, new aluminum use and bolt-together frame technology, lighter weight, etc.) are occuring in Europe now, and the new cars will come over quite soon. It's the best time of year to get a car from Jag. It's also been profitable for Jaguar; Mark Fields, head of PAG, has been bringing up that while Ford Europe has been losing money, PAG has actually been a profit maker. With everything shaping out, PAG, for in stance in the last quarter, generated $166,000,000. That, combined with other profits, has already pulled them out of "the red." Seems win/win for both sides, especially with the quality being way up, too.
#1658 of 2594 Incentive and 2004 models by timbesq
Jul 23, 2003 (9:46 am)
Alpineman:Were I you, I would print the online quotes you have and get a list of dealers within whatever distance is acceptable to you. This can be done at jaguar.com. Call them, let them know what you have by way of a quote, and see if they will beat it. You probably will find at least one who will. You may even be able to play them against each other to some extent. Just be polite about it. It's good to have a positive relationship with the dealer for the future.
If no one is able to beat the quote, then you're probably about as low as you can get right now. In any event, it sounds like you can get a really good deal now. My deal was quite good a month ago. I probably jumped the gun a bit, and I knew it at the time, but Timmy always was an impatient boy...
On the subject of the 2004 models, I found some pictures of the 2.0D on the following site:
http://www.babez.de/jaguar/xtype20d.php
Looks like cloth is the entry level fabric. Also, looking at the center stack, it appears that the thing can be had without automatic climate control. Jaguar's UK website indicates that this model, in the UK, is priced about the same as a 2.5 with automatic, leather and automatic climate control is here. I guess it doesn't pay to drive in Britain with their whopping VAT.
A picture I found on another site (sorry, forgot to note the address) showed the stern. It did not look significantly different. The front end appears the same. There may be minor changes to sidelights. Unfortunately, I have not yet been able to conjure up anything that shows the new alcantara, carbon fibre or other interior surfaces. Not being a real racing, carbon-fibre kind of guy, I'm happy with my Connelly and wood, but I am curious. If anyone conjures anything up, please post the address.
#1659 of 2594 2004 Revisions by timbesq
Jul 23, 2003 (12:39 pm)
I don't believe it! They put in two front cupholders. It's a shame, though, that they removed the green from the instrument display.For these and other tidbits, see:
http://www.carpages.co.uk/jaguar/jaguar_the_new_x_type_diesel_par- t_9_15_06_03.asp
This is actually the last of several pages, but there are links to carry you back.
#1660 of 2594 2004 X-Type 2.0D in the US? by alpineman
Jul 23, 2003 (2:06 pm)
Anyone know if this model will be available in the US?#1661 of 2594 Green Instrument Display? by desertguy
Jul 23, 2003 (2:44 pm)
I think it is horrible at least on my 2002. Any sunlight at all and you can't read a thing. It is one of the big complaints I hear. Anything would be an improvement. And I do know about the brightness control.#1662 of 2594 Green Instruments and 2.0D by timbesq
Jul 23, 2003 (8:41 pm)
Curious. I haven't had any visibility problems with mine. For me, the British Racing Green portions of the dials provide contrast and improve visibility. Well, maybe not quite all that, but it looks nice. When you have visibility problems, is is due to glare on the plastic window in front of the display? Polarized glasses would probably filter that out if that is the problem.I know that I saw a picture of a 2.0D with a left-side steering wheel and I believe that it's coming here, but I'm not entirely certain. If you do a web search for info, I have found that "jaguar x-type 2004" yields next to nothing helpful but "jaguar x-type diesel" gets results.
#1663 of 2594 Green Instrument Cluster - timbesq by desertguy
Jul 24, 2003 (4:49 am)
Oops! I just surmised that we are talking about two different things here. I agree with you on the BRG background for the dials. I was referring to the odometer/message center lighting which is a dim green on my car.
#1664 of 2594 Green Instrument Cluster by timbesq
Jul 24, 2003 (6:47 am)
I suspected that might be the case, desertguy. With respect to the message center, as well as the climate and radio displays, I'm just glad that my polarized sunglasses don't render them invisible. That happens with some displays.#1665 of 2594 by jagboyxtype
Jul 24, 2003 (2:32 pm)
Desertguy - they changed the message center readout from the version in our cars to one like our climate control and radio displays late in 2002 so it shouldn't be so much of an issue in the newer cars. On another note, the new gauges I've heard are supposed to be quite classy looking._ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
As for the cloth and manual controls in some of the Jag pictures, Jaguar has always offered such features since at least the time of the XJ40 in the most basic versions of each of its cars. The wood is always there though. The standard leather and all-automatic controls in our U.S. cars came because in Europe, our cars would be "SE" models, which are a step up from the base models. It's not a new base trim level because of diesels or anything like that.
On the diesels, I doubt that they will be coming to the U.S. The left-hand-drive diesel was probably meant for export into another European nation where cars are not right-hand-drive (France, Germany, Italy - Jaguar's 3rd largest market). A 2.0 liter engine is too small for the American market, but in Europe, that size is coveted for its economic/performance balance.
The diesels and new X-type have been getting some good reviews. The author of the following article praised the 2.0 D's refinement and quietness compared to its competition:
"If Jaguars are meant to be quiet, this really is the Jaguar of diesels. Sure, it only has four cylinders and we're used to Jags being both petrol-fuelled and better endowed with cylinders. So this is by far the roughest and noisiest Jaguar in living memory. But alongside the direct competition — which means the Germans — it just hums along..."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/main.jhtml?xml=/motoring/2003- /07/18/emfjag19.xml
It aparently has some turbo lag, but not more so than any other turbo-diesels. Impressive that the engine is so refined even compared to the German diesels - it must really be a great engine if it is so much smoother and quieter as the author says it is. The real advancement though will be when the Peugeot/Jaguar 6-cylinder diesel appears.
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QUOTE OF THE DAY:
"I know many people in Hollywood with Jaguars and I really like the X-type."
- Partrick Steward from "Cat's Tales" in the latest edition of "Jaguar" Magazine. He owns an XJS convertible. As a Star Trek fan (not a Trekkie so much, I just watch it sometimes) and someone who liked the X-Men movies, it's nice to know that Mr. Steward also has very good taste in cars. Who would have thought that a big Hollywood celebrity's favorite new Jaguar would be an X-type?
#1666 of 2594 03 or 04? by kssod
Jul 25, 2003 (3:24 pm)
There are some phenominal opportunities for 2003 3.0 sports with manual, and I am considering trading my 02 since it has had less than stellar reliability The question is are the changes for 04 significant over 03 regarding engine, transmission etc. I know that there are interior and stereo upgrades. the exterior changes are in the Jag style indistinguishable to the casual observer. Also I currently have a manual what is everyones's opinion of the auto when driven hard and sporting? Does anyone yet know if the High Output 3.0 liter(Autoweek) is a definate for 04, I know the type R isn't until 05-06To POST a message, please
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