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Jaguar X-Type, Sedan
Jul 18, 2003 (11:43 am)
... your Jaguar dealer about lower financing rates, despite no "advertized" or official 0% rate. Jaguar will usually bend or break the established rates to accomodate a customer if the rate is of great importance v. normal deductions in price (e.g. - most people are attracted by such things as "$2000 off all manual transmission cars!" where the total incentive can be seen as a set amount of cash; Jaguar would accomodate you with a better financing rate if that's more to your liking, plus whatever other incentives are on the car.)
I just checked Autosite to see what's out there quickly, but they've got some error and their stupid list only loads just past Chrysler; maybe you'd have better luck. The list was last updated 3/17/03, so it's a pretty good source, though they manytimes aren't aware of all the incentives on cars (like the new Audis in the used pile).
From previously looking at the list (when it would load all the way), Jaguar's rates and BMW's were usually nearly identical around 2.9%. However, the Jag dealers are usually very much "dealers," and getting them to match the competition with a financing rate shouldn't be that difficult, especially with Jaguar's financing being under Jaguar's control, rather than the parent company's so much. Your dealer will either be very helpful and try to match and/or give a better offer than the competition, or he/she will have the "this is a Jaguar, sir" attitude as if to almost ask you to leave the lot. If you have a great dealer, fantastic deals can happen the way you want them to. With so many companies doing 0% or 1.9%, Jaguar, though not advertizing it, would probably do the same for an interested customer.
"Looks like I'll have to try and talk her into a CTS or LS to get 0.0% financing." Ouch! If she doesn't like "Art & Science," you're going to have to do a lot of talking (I don't think it's a bad looking car, but then I also think that BMW's, Jaguar's, and Mercedes' executions of their styles turned out a little better - IMHO). Does the CTS have 0% on it now? From what I've read from the CTS board (and I'll admit I haven't been there very recently), all the owners had been unable to find 0% deals, as some of Cadillac's cars were not part of the whole "GM Summer Drive Event" or whatever the thing was called (yet somehow Saab got 0%). Autosite says CTS has a 1.9% rate.
With Audi, you might be able to do better than the 1.9% rate for an A4. Things at Audi are worse than is generally known, and with them having moved new 2002 models into the used cars bin, and applying *used* car prices to all of them, a nice deal might come out of that. Audi and BMW were the two cars I also looked at most closely when choosing my car; the A4 got 3rd place out of the group of three. 3-Series and X-type both have strengths in different parts of their performance and drive a little differently, but both are smooth, refined, and balanced. Audi's engines, IMO, both felt a bit lethargic compared to the X-type's and 3-Series' offerings - the 1.8t doesn't match the 2.5's from BMW and Jag, and the Audi 3.0, while matching the BMW 3.0 and Jaguar 3.0 for displacement, creates less horsepower than both and is pulling a car that has hundreds of pounds more in weight compared to the 3 and X - and even though the A4 stuck to the road with Quattro, the chassis design and power distribution from the AWD still show some FWD characteristics compared to 3 and X. X, even though with AWD, has a RWD power bias along with a chassis design that keeps the dynamic weigh distribution of the car at the rear (despite the static weight dist.), further creating RWD handling with AWD grip. The A4 never shifts enough weight dynamically out of its front end to give the rear a bias, and the FWD dynamic weight distribution and the 50/50 torque split together give more power and traction to the front wheels, thus giving the car more FWD characteristics. C&R noted about the same thing with the RS6 in one of their supersedan comparisons. That's just my take on it, but as a performance car, the A4 isn't quite in the same league. It does have a nice interior, but the design seems kind of dated looking to me. Initial quality is also good, but I think about equal to BMW and Jaguar, and in terms of dependability from the J.D. Powers survey, Audi (like Mercedes and Volvo) still have some work to do; Jaguar and BMW both ranked "well above the industry average" at 11th place for Jaguar, making it the highest rated European Luxury Sport sedan marque, and BMW, at 13th place, quite a respectable second, so both Bimmer and Jag might hold up long term better than the Audi. I'm not trying to bash the Audi, that was just my experience with many tests of the car - I still think it's great, but its strengths are not in the same areas as the BMW and Jaguar. Between the Jag and BMW, the X offers more luxury, and the 3 offers a little bit more performance, but both are quite close, with the differentiating gap between them being much smaller than that which separates the Audi from what I've experienced with the cars. But the A4 is also physically about the same size as the 3-Series if your wife really likes that size, though the X-type's larger dimensions aren't really felt when going from one car to the other - it's not a huge difference. The X-type has about 10 inches more length, two inches more width, and two inches less height than the BMW 3 sedan (coupe height and X-type are about equal). I'd say the areas most affected by the X-type's different dimensions than the 3 are the rear seat being a bit larger and especially the trunk. In driving, they all feel the same size; 3 and X were extremely tossable, really begging to be thrown into a curve at illegal speeds and coming out as if you weren't going fast enough; X's AWD benefits really shine through in that area. With no LSD in the BMW, the computer would come on around a corner and make it a little awkward if the car was slipping. AWD wouldn't slip so the curves feel very natural in the Jag. If you want to have the rear end jerk out and slide around a corner in the AWD Jag though, it is possible.
Mine was an all-out purchase, but I got the nearly-loaded X-type 3.0 for invoice. BMW would have done the same for me on 330Ci optioned like the Jag (as close as possible) that I was considering highly, so you might even want to look at them again, too. In the end, it was my personal taste that won out with the Jag, it's luxury, and cornering performance, as either car would have been within $1,000 of the other with the invoice pricing Jaguar and BMW offered me. With Jaguar, being a purchaser - all out or through financing - usually brings out more incentives, in financing through rates.
Jul 18, 2003 (12:42 pm)
I bought my 2.5 X-Type three weeks ago at substantially below invoice. My dealer bent the rules a bit to cram the car into a $2,000.00demo/loaner program offered by Jag. This was not mentioned on Edmunds.com or anywhere else that I could find. My car was not a loaner or demo as the protective coating had to be stripped off prior to delivery. A motivated dealer will find a way to get you into the car. I have not run the financials, but the difference between 0% and 1.9% or 2.9% may even out with the incentive.
#1648 of 2594 2003 X-Type 2.5 pricing
Jul 21, 2003 (5:00 pm)
Got Southern California pricing from another site. X-Type 2.5 w/ Sport Package (manual transmission) for $23,252. While the X-Type 2.5 non-Sport model w/ auto tranny, X1 premium package, and Xenon headlamps is $27,288. Is this right?! Prices good until 9/30/03.
Has anyone gotten a better deal? We're looking into the 2.5 non-sport model w/ auto tranny.
#1649 of 2594 Timbesq...which dealership?
Jul 21, 2003 (5:03 pm)
May I ask which dealership got you this great deal?
#1650 of 2594 Galpin Ford SUCKS
Jul 21, 2003 (10:44 pm)
i am tired of dealing with a dealer that sucks
the ford side my family walked away from years and now the Jaguar side
1 they fix nothing correct
2 you get you car back dirty
3 they say well come back and we will get it correct like i have the time
4 they do not sell at good price anymore and the dealership is to be sold soon because of thier failing system
bye bye bye bye bye
can not deal with a high end buyer in a crap area
#1651 of 2594 Halewood - Jaguar's other English cousins move in
Jul 22, 2003 (12:32 am)
There's been a lot of news about how Land Rover is moving production of the next-generation Freelander to Halewood, where the X-type is currently produced. No, it will not be displacing the X-type, but will rather simply be built at another area of the facility. Primary reason for the move was PAG's seriousness at getting quality right. A while ago, Halewood accepted new production standards, where as Land Rover's current Freelander facility allows such things as eating on the job, etc., none of which is allowed at Halewood. Because of Halewood's status as the "jewel" of the PAG facilities, and because both Freelander and X-type are the best-selling respective Land Rover and Jaguar models, the new Freelander, in order to assure that its quality is far superior to that of the current version, joins the X-type at Halewood, whose quality has recently been found to be - shocking as it may seem to some - now of the best in the industry.
Jul 22, 2003 (7:51 am)
I was working with LB Smith in Mechanicsburg, PA. Looking at your post about SoCal pricing, you may be able to find better now. Remember, my deal is now nearly a month old. Looking at the incentive information available on this website, I'm not positive how the dealer is getting to the numbers you've found. It would seem possible that there are hidden programs other than loaner/demo floating out there. The automatic for which you received a quote should invoice around $30,388. I can imagine a dealer letting it go at 3K below with the loaner/demo program, $500 for Jag Finance deals, and perhaps the dealer takes off advertising fees or something of that sort. At any event, sounds great to me. You might want to make sure that the car is a 2003 and not a leftover 2002.
Jul 22, 2003 (12:49 pm)
The prices I posted were from carsdirect.com for the 91709 zip code that I got yesterday. They do not have 2002 X-Type models. So you think I can get better deals than carsdirect.com? If so, I'll try...
#1654 of 2594 Halewood/Jagboyxtype
Jul 22, 2003 (4:37 pm)
From J.D. Power 2003 Initial Quality Study: Awardees http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/releases/winners.asp?StudyID=736
Platinum Plant Quality Award, Worldwide
Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A.--Tahara, Japan (Car)
Gold Plant Quality Award, Europe
BMW of North America-Munich, Germany
Silver Plant Quality Award, Europe
DaimlerChrysler - Bremen, Germany
Bronze Plant Quality Award, Europe
Ford Motor Company--Torslanda, Sweden (Car)
So, I'd like more information on the Halewood plant being "the best in the industry", please.