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Jaguar X-Type, Sedan
#1607 of 2600 Leases & 2004 BOFE technology
Jul 01, 2003 (11:50 pm)
I haven't personally contacted JNA about leases, as the family policy since forever has been to always purchase everything. However, several people at the other Jag board that we aren't supposed to mention here... <cough> (jagtalk.com) <cough> are already on their second X-type, having upgraded from 2.5's to 3.0 liter versions and are quite enthusiastic about the noticeable additional power.
QUOTE OF THE DAY:
"The updated  X-TYPE range takes Jaguar ownership, as well as the Jaguar
philosophy, into new areas"
Also, a fellow Jaguar owner who posted some stuff about the new X-type on another site warned: "Be prepared for the media to misrepresent the Bolt-On Front End (BOFE)
structure. This is the same design the new XJ uses and that the AutoSpies web
site did not understand." You've probably all read the mistaken AutoSpies report, in which "author" of the "article" as well as the bodyshop that the crashed 2004 XJ was taken to did not understand the design of the new BOFE, also found on the new X-type, and reported a (disproven) flaw in the aluminum structure. A Jaguar engineer representative followed up, explaining the way the structure worked (aparently, the bumper bar took damage as it was designed to) and AutoSpies was good enough to post that response as well.
The whole story:
Response and Answer
Jul 03, 2003 (7:09 am)
I just took delivery of a 2003 2.5 last Friday and after one week's worth of driving, I am a satified owner. I have noticed that some contributors to this page feel that the car is underpowered. I tend to disagree. I have found acceleration and performance to be adequate to a fairly athletic driving style. Naturally, I wouldn't mind having more power, but one certainly doesn't feel as though one is driving a go-cart.
While I originally intended to get a manual, my wife does not drive stick and this would have been impractical. I do enjoy playing with the electronic transmission and, while not as responsive as a full manual, it is a good compromise. I like the J-Gate setup with its dedicated shift points better than the systems such as that on the Mercedes-Benz C class which one taps back and forth. With the J-Gate, on knows which gear one is in by feel. With the side-to-side setup, one must look at the display to know. This seems less convenient as it requires the driver to look away from road.
I rather agree with jagboyxtype's comments about interior luxury. Indeed, the luxury level was a determining factor in my purchase. While the BMW 325xi, in my opinion, was the better performer, it could not compare in style and features at the same price point. At any rate, press reviews calling the interior spartan are off mark. The interior is not overly crowded with "stuff," and at the same time does not fall prey to the minimalism of the Scandinavian designs.
I have noticed a lot of the Ford talk. For one, I am grateful that a private manufacturer bought Jaguar. After all, it makes no sense for a socialist government to own a luxury car company. I would admit to certain similarities between the aft ends of the X-Type and the Taurus, but I'm not sure that anyone has research the chicken-and-egg of the issue. The Taurus, until recently, had a much more tapered and bubble looking tail. The first time I saw it redesigned with the chrome plinth and etc. was after I first saw an S-Type for the first time. My impression was that Ford was trying to update the Taurus image to look more Jag-like, which is fair enough. Perhaps someone knows which model came first?
I have noticed only one design feature thus far which I believe could use some improvement. The buttons on the climate control panel could be a bit more touch sensitive. They require considerable depression before activating. This, however, is minor.
I had not previously heard that the 2004 model would have some redesigned features. I will be curious to see them, but I do not regret buying when I did as the prices are getting very competitive on the 2003's. Also, looking like an "old-timer" is hardly a stigma in a Jaguar. Some of the Continental models that pride themselves on more aggressive, less traditional design could not make the same claim.
The talk of an R labeled X-Type with 330hp is quite interesting. At 35,000 quid or about $56,000 USD, I would suspect it will remain a novelty as one could be in a larger model for a comparable price. Still, a desire for all that horsepower might attract AWD fans if AWD is not integrated in the larger models.
The only hesitation I had about the X-Type at all was about mechanical reliability. Please let me know if there is anything in particular for which I should be on guard.
#1611 of 2600 2003 X-Type 2.L Manual
Jul 03, 2003 (8:32 am)
This message is to all the Ford employees out there and their families. The current July incentives just came out and talk about a deal. The incentive list came out yesterday at 2PM and I had purchased a car by 4PM in Philadelphia (I live in MI). I found a 2003 2.5L Manual car with no options (just the $170 CD player) which was listed at approximately $30.5K for $20,302.00
That price includes A-Plan ($2,600 less), $1000 Customer Bonus Cash, $4500 Retail cash for the 2003 2.5L X-Type and $2000 for a Manual transmission car.
Not a bad deal for $20K. I would suggest calling quickly since manual cars are hard to find.
For non Ford employees, start negotiating.
Jul 03, 2003 (12:14 pm)
Thanks to Jagboyxtype and all of the other posters for their numerous comments over the past few months. I sat on my hands looking for a new car for quite awhile and about a month ago I finally picked up a 2.5 auto X-Type. The car has been a joy thus far. Before buying I had narrowed it down to the BMW 3-series, the Benz C-Class, or the X-Type. For performance the BMW had the edge, but I was not impressed with the interior, and there are just so darn many of them on the road. The C-Class was a close second, but ultimately I was turned off by the lengths to which MB went to bring the price down. By the time I added back options make it feel like a "real" Benz, the pricing was a little hard to justify. Plus, I've got a three month old, and the back seat leg room is less than the X. In the end the big decision drivers were exterior design and interior luxury. The car is just aesthetically terrific, inside and out. It's the first car I've ever had where I get in and my blood pressure goes DOWN. For a guy who spends alot of time in traffic, that's a joy indeed.
#1613 of 2600 This is by far the best entry-level luxury sport sedan
Jul 03, 2003 (4:08 pm)
It has a MUCH better interior than ANY competitor; even nicer than entry-level luxury cars focused totally on luxury. Congratulations on your new X Type, windyjag, you'll LOVE it.
#1614 of 2600 The latest review from Canadian Driver! (2003 3.0)
Jul 04, 2003 (6:40 am)
+ "Sumptuous Connolly leather seats, walnut trim pieces and British Racing Green gauges add to the Jaguar charm, but it is the tapered tail, distinctive hood ripples and the leaping jaguar hood sculpture that will ensure that no one will mistake this car for anything but a Jaguar."
+ "The car itself appears to be much bigger than it actually is as the side profile is long and lean."
+ "Okay, I get it already. This is a Jaguar."
+ "Jaguar offers three distinct option packages for the X-Type - Premium, Sport and Weather - in an effort to meet, and in some cases, beat, the competition in this very competitive segment."
+ "I had the chance to get to know the X-Type during a period plagued with spring showers, and I must admit, Jaguarís Traction 4 all-wheel-drive system kept the car exactly where I wanted it, tracking confidently through tight corners with just a hint of under-steer. This, along with the confident ABS-brakes, left me with full confidence in the capabilities of the Jaguarís package."
+ "The 3.0-litre V6 has plenty of pulling power but torque is most evident at launch. While not as smooth in delivery as in some of its rivals, the carís power is readily available when needed. The throaty growl emitted from the sport-tuned exhaust was music to my ears, and is very distinctive."
+ "The passenger cabin feels very spacious as large windows and slim roof pillars combine to offer outstanding visibility."
+ "Amazing structural rigidity as well as large four-wheel disc brakes with advanced ABS capabilities represents a good first defense in the safety arena, but the addition of the Traction 4 system and available Dynamic Stability Control should help keep things under control. In the event of an impact, dual-stage frontal airbags are supplemented by front and rear side curtain airbags, another first for a Jaguar model."
+ "The X-Type is an excellent alternative to the waves of Audis, BMW, Volkswagens and Volvos that seem to populate the highways and parking lots of the Canadian landscape, not to mention the endless parade of Japanese entries that compete for your attention in this category. It represents an elegant design with classic Jaguar style, albeit with the benefits of all-wheel-drive and all the modern bells and whistles. Its convenient size, sensible option packages and a competitive pricing structure makes the X-Type worth a long, hard look."
See! Everything I've been saying is true! Man I want that wooden steering wheel in my car. I guess I'll just have to retrofit it.
#1615 of 2600 Magazine Article
Jul 06, 2003 (6:53 pm)
While interesting, it fails to give credit to Jaguar for offering such a large trunk. After taking many road trips, I am still amazed at the amount of trunk space. The trunk easily holds two suitcases, some smaller bags and a large golf bag (through the rear seat) easily.
AWD is still amazing for those still looking at vehicles.
#1616 of 2600 Gearbox Fault
Jul 07, 2003 (5:27 pm)
I have an 02 2.5 X with automatic transmission. My built date is 3/02. Today the "Gearbox Fault"mode appeared on my message center along with the engine symbol in amber.It appeared while attempting to use the J-Gate shifter and was in limp mode home. Turned engine off after 10 minutes symbol and message dissappeared. However when attempting to re-use "manual J-Gate" the message and engine symbol reappeared. Note vehicle only has 5000miles and unfortunatly I live 3 hours from nearest dealer. Please advise Andy