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Jaguar X-Type, Sedan
Feb 10, 2003 (10:17 am)
At least Jaguar isn't making an SUV! Actually, one of the weak points in Jaguar's lineup is a lack of a lot of diversity: Jaguar sells 3 beautiful luxury sedans and one "sports car" that is really more of a GT. Of the 3 sedans, only the X-type has AWD, and they all have about the same interior dimensions and trimming/luxury. One of the things that competitors have an advantage in over Jaguar as a company is many more types of vehicles and variants of vehicles. In order to compete in this highly competitive market, Jaguar has to have vehicles to bring in buyers that would have bought from a competitor had Jaguar not offered them the vehicle type that they wanted (like the wagon). Believe it or not, the "Jag wag" is actually quite attractive to a lot of people, and if that's what they like, who am I to argue with them? The sport wagons are still Jaguars, and they are still X-types, so to those owners I say welcome to the exclusive club! More variants can only be a good thing. (There were actually non-factory XJS wagons made, and the E-type coupes were hatchbacks to the point of almost being wagons, so the X-type Estate wouldn't be the first Jaguar sport wagon. And don't worry, Jaguar is not going to start making an SUV - they still plan on being more exclusive and refined than the competition.)
Good luck finding the AWD car of your dreams! And I'm glad my blabbering was helpful to you to some degree.
I didn't lease, but the latest advertisment for the X-type (the "Claws" ad where it tears up a bridge - the car looks good in the ad) said that X-types could be leased for $400 a month for 39 months. The incentive leases at the car's launch were $349 per month, which was later raised to $369 per month, and now they are up to an even $400 per month. I think the price raised since Jaguar has stopped incentives, which in turn boosts resale value back up to where it should be.
There were some problems with the earliest X-types with things like annoying sounds coming from the propshaft to little things like rocking seats and dripping windshield wiper jets. However, Jaguar took notice quickly and fixed everything by redesigning the problematic parts for the new cars, and Jaguar replaced any of the problematic parts on early cars free under the warranty. There are no more problems with the X-types coming from the factory, and most all of the early ones are now fixed. My own car (purchased in March of 2002) only had the dripping windshield wiper jets, which the dealer fixed in under 5 minutes before the car came home. No problems since then.
As for paint (I assumed that's what outside color meant), Jaguar is known for using something like a 12-layer 4-step paint process, which is double the amount used by other cars, to give the cars an ultra smooth, ultra deep looking color. All body panels are double-side, zinc-coat galvanized to make rust almost impossible as well (including the roof, where most manufacurers do not galvanize).
As for the speakers, they are adequate (and good compared to the competition), but if you are an audiophile, the premium sound system is recommended. The radio reception (set for the U.S.) is not that great either, and that transfers through to the speakers. However, activating the "Europe" radio setting activates the transmission signal boost and makes reception much better (I can repost how to do this, you just have to push a few buttons on the radio controls to do this - it's quite nifty.) So, if you like very good music, the premium sound system is a very good buy, and in my local newspaper was rated one of the best car stereo systems on the market (it even beat the Lexus ML system). As for the reliability of the speakers (versus their sound quality), they are very very good.
On reliability, the X-type has also had no recalls, and Jaguar constantly updates little bits and pieces of the cars on regular scheduled maintenence under the warranty. Recently, Jag has been reprogramming the transmission and engine management codes for the cars to make them smoother, increase fuel economy, and increase performance by a noticeable degree.
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I hope I helped you all by giving useful information, sometimes I over-do it and end up offending people. Sorry if I did, and you are very welcome if I didn't.
#1456 of 2600 2.5 5A X-Type Test Drive
Feb 10, 2003 (6:56 pm)
On Saturday, I test drove a beautiful metallic blue X-Type 2.5 Automatic (with Sport Package & 17 inch rims).
Unfortunately I was very disappointed. What I noticed immediately is the total lack of both torque and horsepower the engine had. Even at lower highway speeds (40 MPH), if you wanted to just slighly increase your speed, the 2.5 would downshift and scream, but nothing happened! The car would slowly increase in speed and then upshift. I think I only drove 5 miles on the highway, and it must have upshifted and dowshifted 10 times. I have no idea how this engine could be rated at 194HP when my 83,000 mile 200HP '99 Accord V6 Coupe is rated at only 6 more HP. The Accord (my only benchmark on which I could compare the Jag) feels like it has at least 40 more HP on the Jag and seems like it would run rings around the Jag. When you floor the 2.5, the engine just made a lot of noise but the power rush never really came; when the Accord's V6 is floored, the VTEC kicks in the power rushes in and doesn't slow down until it pegs the redline(there may be a rev limiter on the VTEC - but I'm not really sure)
Now I know there's a weight difference between the two (and also the Accord's V6 is broken in and the Jag's isn't yet), but I'm still baffled about the lack of power in this car. Maybe more people buy the 2.5 with the manual...
Also the handling on the Sport Jag was also very disappointing. Again the old Accord feels like a much tighter handling package (sorry to keep talking about the Accord, but it was the only comparison reference I had).
Now the Jag did have a better ride than the Accord, which is a little too harsh on rough roads (unless you're doing at least 80, and then it feels just right)
Also, maybe it's my imagination, but the fit and finish (opening and closing the doors, interior switch gear, etc) seemed a little inferior to the Accord.
Now the overall appearance of the X-Type, both inside and out was excellent. In my opinion, it's probably one of the best looking cars on the road.
Overall I was very disappointed. I didn't get a chance to test drive the 3.0, which I'm sure will be faster, because I wanted to test the Infiniti G35 Sedan. Going from the 2.5 Jag to the 3.5 260HP G35 Sedan was like night and day. The G35 had an obscene amount of power. I also couldn't believe the super-tight handling and braking of the G35. Also the G35's fit and finish was top notch. It's probaly the closest thing to BMW handling that you could buy.
I still havn't given up on the X-Type however, I need to go back and test drive the 3.0
I'll keep everyone posted on the results...
#1458 of 2600 My X-type is coming home from the vet!
Feb 11, 2003 (12:39 am)
Well, as I had posted, my X-type took some underbody damage when I hit some really bad road that managed to slash my tire after chipping one of my rims - if no one else can hit it, I can...
Anyway, the damage, as it turns out, was primarily restricted to a shield/pan under the car that protected mechanical components very well. As this was my first schedualed service, the Jag people found that they needed to add weight to my car's driveshaft so that it would not get "the whine," but the funny thing is that it never had a problem with that - in fact, besides the welcome roaring song of the engine upon acceleration, the car was and still is very quiet. They also said they'd replace the tire for free, which I though I'd have to pay for since it was used, but they almost refused to let me pay for it. So, as it turns out, the X is going to be better than before, and it cost me absolutely nothing to get the car repaired. I'll get to bring her home later today as they had to order a part for her yesterday. All in all, it was a very pleasant experience - as far as damaging one's beautiful car and getting it repaired goes.
On a final note, I had to take a Ford Escort loaner, but as I wasn't paying for anything I wasn't going to complain. Anyone who calls Jaguar simply a Ford is going to get a smack in the head from me though, 'cause I've experienced the Fords now, and they ain't nothing like any Jags. Can't wait to get my car back. The Escort did have a surprisingly large amount of headroom, however.
Feb 11, 2003 (4:54 am)
I posted this a few hundred posts ago, but thought it might be of interest again...
I talked to a colleague in Jaguar's Paint group in order to clear up the confusion over their 4 step/10 step process.
The 4 stage process refers to a 4 layer/4 bake process, typically Electrocoat, Primer 1, Primer 2 and Color. In Ford's eyes this is the process at Jaguar. Technically, 5 layers of paint are applied to the vehicle as after Color a Clear coat layer is applied. Ford plants run a 3 or 4 stage process with a 3 stage being without the Primer 2 coat.
The 10 stage process refers to the pre-treatment process and the various stations used to condition the metal prior to any paint application e.g. cleaner dip, rinse 1, rinse 2, conditioner, phosphate, rinse 3..... etc. In truth at Jaguar an 11 stage pre-treatment process is used, but again in Ford's eyes it is only 10.
#1463 of 2600 Now This is a Car!
Feb 13, 2003 (5:36 pm)
Had my '03, 2.5, X-Type for two weeks now. Only problem was the alignment came off the assembly line askew and the front paint started to chip. Jaguar fixed these issues without question and gave me an XK coupe loaner. Now, I am hooked on that rocket. That is another post in itself.
The 2.5 is not that much different than the 3.0. The finish is far superior to the Japanese. The styling is no comparison. A Jag is a Jag and a Japanese car, well, is just another Japanese car.
A new 240 hp Honda Accord tried to race me on the highway. Below 40 mph, the Accord did better. Above 40 mph, the Jag simply left the Honda standing still. I could tell the Honda driver was a little upset and he was NOT holding back.
For those comparing the Jag to a Honda, stick with a Honda and leave us alone. Honda service is not Jaguar service and I have both brands.
For the person who posted the radio settings, thank you very much. I find much better reception on the European setting.
Caution: Jaguar dealers are now telling customers to change the oil every 10,000 miles during the "free servicing periods." I asked several objective mechanics about this. Under no circumstances should you listen to Jaguar. Change the oil AT LEAST every 5,000 miles. 3,000 mile intervals are still recommended.
There are numerous posts regarding keeping the leather seats clean. My dealer recommends a good leather cleaner and to NOT to wear black or brown leather jackers as the jacket die bleeds into the white/sand leather Jaguar seats.
For the person asking about lease prices: I am paying $491/month with the 2.5, Sunroof, Heated Seats, CD Player, Split fold-down seats, free hand washes every two weeks and rear park sensors. No money down and no security deposit. Jaguar made the first payment. Others I know are paying more, so you can use my price as a guage.
Hope this helps.
#1464 of 2600 Changing the radio setting
Feb 14, 2003 (2:01 pm)
Can somebody re-post radio setting change? I must've missed it.
Also, I have a '02 X-Type 2.5 with manual transmission, and found the clutch to be way too springy and hurts my leg in a long drive. Does anyone know if this can be adjusted at the dealer?
Thank you in advance.