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Jaguar X-Type, Sedan
Dec 31, 2002 (11:58 am)
Jagboyxtype, just a couple more details on what you posted regarding "real" Jaguars...First, Jag has been buying transmissions from Borg-Warner and General Motors, and outside vendors such as Bosch (German) and Lucas (Yup, British) have also contributed parts over the years, so outsourcing is nothing new.
Now, and a minor nitpicking point, the styling for the 1998-2003 XJ's was introduced in model year 1995. 1998 saw a new & improved engine and better interior, but save for a few minor details, styling was unchanged from the 1995-1997 models.
Also, after Jag took over the Damlier company, Jaguar's MkII sedan was offered under the Damlier name with Damlier's 2.5 liter V-8 engine developed for the Dart (about the only thing good Jag got out of that takeover, IMO), so a V-8 Jaguar is nothing new for those of youthinking a XJ8 is no better than a Series III XJ6 with a 350 chevy under the hood. Nor is the V-6 new. Remember the XJ220 supercar from the early '90's? Turbocharged V-6's motivated those kitties. Just goes to show there's nothing new under the sun, although even if I had the money for a new XJ8, I'd probably still prefer a pristing Series III just on looks alone.
Dec 31, 2002 (1:13 pm)
Thanks for the extra info - I hadn't seen much of it before. Also, the thing with Location, Jaguar's Browns Lane factory was a Daimler factory before Jaguar moved into it between 1950 and '52, so even the factory had to become truly Jaguar.
On the styling of the 98-03 XJ versus the 95 (and perhaps its just me), but I can tell the cars apart from 100 feet away. The grilles (to me) are noticeably different in overall shape, and the 98-03 XJ looks much more rounded off than the 95, although both cars are still quite similar in overall appearance. The 98-03 also looks "heavier" to me.
And thanks for the V8 and V6 engine info - I've even had the XKR attacked for having a V8 and not a 'real' Jaguar engine like an I6 or V12. It's rediculous! Happy new year!
Thanks for your hydroplaning concern. I always keep one wheel dry though Happy New Year.
#1409 of 2600 Talking about quietness of 2.5 vs. 3.0
Dec 31, 2002 (2:36 pm)
Hi everybody. I read your enthusiastic posts but could not find any specifically indicating size of engine. After buying a little house on a Pennsylvania hilltop I was looking around for a AWD. Not being extremely convinced to buy an SUV after tens of years of Firebirds (oh, no!RIP) and on my way to a Subaru dealer, I stopped by at a Jaguar instead and 2 hours later I found myself signing and making a deposit on a x-type 2.5. As I had not done any research on the x-type Jag (and Jaguar in general) before stopping by there, I did not know the difference in the engine noise between the 2.5 and 3.0. Therefore even if noticing that after 50 mph acceleration the engine sounds like kind of cheap sound, I fell in love with design, maneuvrability, braking, awd and, why not, the lumbar support automatic stuff and decided that well, one cannot have everything when having something (that that's the way x-type is). I did not even inquire about 3.0 thus did not drive it and said yes to the 2.5 As they did not have the (white) car in stock I was supposed to have it come from another state in a couple of days.
After getting home I did a post-deal research and found that indeed "under full throttle, the 2.5 engine sounds ragged but the 3.0 growls nicely." What should I do? Try the 3.0 and after that switch if sound is pleasant for a muscle car oriented ear, or you think that the 2.5 will accomodate me (or rather I will accomodate to it) in a certain amount of time. Additionally I have a slight tinnitus (ringing in the ear) which the high pitch "ragged" sound of the 2.5 over 50 mph could aggravate. Oh, what sorry I am that I did not try the both before deciding on the 2.5 (as not knowing this noise difference)! Please those of you who have a 2.5 tell me if sound does not become bothersome in time if it scratched my ear in the first day. Or those of you who posted before me so enthusiastically, please indicate if your enthusiasm stayed even if having a 2.5. If you have a 3.0 please state so. I am very bothered by this problem that I have before finalizing the closing. Any verified advice will be greatly appreciated. Have a very Happy New Year!
Dec 31, 2002 (8:19 pm)
Hey marchie! Happy New Year!
I have a 3.0 litre X-type and the car does have a nice deep growl under moderate to hard acceleration. The sound is not "ragged" at all (at least to my ear), though it more pronounced in comparison to my S-type - it sounds like the performance car it is.
I've driven 2.5 litre X-types, though not enough to really pay attention to the sound of the engine. 2.5's do sound slightly different (if memory serves), but not a bad different - maybe slightly less throaty or something. When I got my X-type 3.0, I initially noted that the engine was quite loud [in comparison to my S-type, whose "spooling-up" engine sound I had gotten used to], but now I enjoy the X-type's engine sound a lot as well as the sound of the S-type.
The X-type with either engine has been critically acclaimed for the sounds of its engines. One review in particular writes:
"Something must be said about the sound of the V6 engines. The English are an essentially auditory people; you can be ranked socially merely by how you sound (think Eliza Doolittle), so perhaps it is no surprise that much attention has been given to making the X-Type engines sound right. They do. A driver might actually search for some stonewalls to motor between, touch the instant-down on the window and smile at the reverberation... When you try one on be sure to search out some plate glass windows to mirror your passing. And reflect the sound of that engine."
Really, it all comes down to you. You haven't bought the car yet if it still has to arrive (I assume), so you are free to test out other X-types as well before truly making your purchasing choice. I'd recommend going and test driving a 2.5 until you remember how it sounds pretty well (you might even get to like it in that time) and then go test drive a 3.0 litre. Get the one that fits you the best. The only drawback is that the 3.0 costs a little more than the 2.5 - both are great cars though, and I think you'd become acustomed to, and even begin to enjoy, the sound of the 2.5 litre. Happy shopping, and have a wonderful 2003!
#1411 of 2600 Thanks, I will try both on Thursday
Dec 31, 2002 (10:52 pm)
Thank you Jagboyxtype. I will let you know how it was on Thursday. Happy everything!
Jan 01, 2003 (9:11 pm)
I believe the airbag is seperate. The wood/leather wheel may indeed cost $500. The wood/leather steering wheel for the S-Type's sister car, the Lincoln LS, is about the same price, $450 IIRC. The leather wheel is ~$200 less expensive. I have both wheels and prefer the wood/leather as it is a tad thicker. It is relatively easy to change wheels.
#1413 of 2600 Engine sound is okay in both
Jan 02, 2003 (2:02 pm)
I verified at the dealer both 2.5 and 3.0 and I will remain with 2.5. Both sound nice, I don't know how I heard it first "ragged". I hardly wait for the babe to come, but because it comes from another state I will have it only on Monday, they say. Good luck everybody with everything you have.
#1414 of 2600 Congradulations marchie!
Jan 02, 2003 (4:38 pm)
Glad the engine sounds worked-out for you. Tell all about your car when it arrives. Have fun driving and owning the X!
#1416 of 2600 But what about the braking in applied to slippery (snowy) hilly roads?
Jan 03, 2003 (7:37 pm)
I hardly wait. But now I run into a not at all known problem: the running-in of the AWDs such as Jaguars x-type. I read about the ENGINE braking/running in rules for the first 2000 miles. Though I also read that "this rule applies not only to engine but all movable systems" and that one should "go easy on hilly roads," I do not know what to do with MY specific hilly snowy road in PA because they do not describe the technique to "go easy" and to "run-in" the (specific)AWD (and not engine) CAPABILITY: Should I only go there after the 2000 miles done on horizontal roads? Is there any specific technique to run-in the AWD cars WHILE in AWD situations such as a hilly slippery road? Please help. My car arrives soon and I wanted to use it to go to my 150 miles away PA house where I only can get after I go on a 1 mile hilly slippery (icy/snowy) road. Thanks.