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2594 messages, Last post on May 04, 2013 at 1:02 PM
You are in the Jaguar X-Type Forum.What is this discussion about? Jaguar X-Type, Sedan
#1063 of 2594 Re to #1035 of 1035 by jagboyxkr by skobola
May 30, 2002 (10:26 pm)
Well, I believe that Jaguars are not more scrutinized than any other better brand, especially the BMW (or MB). Believe me, Bimmers get their bad apples criticized to the n-th... However, it seems to me that they are not that many to criticize, including my last two ones, 1999 323i and 2002 325i. I agree with you that by having a high/luxury/better-brand car opens it to criticizing for even things that are "normal" for other cars, but well, this is because we paid more money for these 4 wheels. Also, if you want to feel a little bit better, maybe you should go to the Mercedes Benz web sites, there are a lot of (new) owners crying about the lack of quality and unfulfilled expectations... Good thing is that all these cars come with free warranties and maintenance programs, so we should just bring cars to the service and let them play with them. I consider myself lucky for not having any of such problems, though...
#1065 of 2594 skobola- by jagboyxkr
May 31, 2002 (1:30 pm)
Your opening statement: "...I believe that Jaguars are not more scrutinized than any other better brand, especially the BMW (or MB)" indicates that you already have a bias towards BMW since you think it is a "better brand" than Jaguar, and you are acting as if I was attacking BMW with my statement about their inaccurate speedometers. This was not what I was doing or my intention, as I was simply using it as an example of how every marque has problems, but the ones Jaguar has have entire articles written about them, where as other marque's troubles go virtually unnoticed, even if they are more dangerous to the people in the cars.And how would reading about the problems that many Mercedes-Benz drivers are having make me "feel a little bit better"? My post above already said that "I do understand that it would be terribly annoying and upsetting to have a car that doesn't work properly, and I am sorry for those people who have problems". Why would knowing that people are upset cause satisfaction for me? Does it for you? Are you that kind of person?
I don't have any "unfulfilled expectations" of my new X-TYPE, and I never said that more expensive marques get criticized more than lesser ones either. My car has been working perfectly, and I am glad to hear that your car has been the same for you. Also like you about BMW, I feel that there is not much to criticize about Jaguar, as every one that we have had has been great, and I have found that they are still some of the best world-class cars around. That was the entire point of my last few posts, but it must have been written in too complex a form if you got nothing from it.
#1066 of 2594 Merits of makes by desertguy
May 31, 2002 (2:15 pm)
The biggest criticism of BMW which I have heard repeatedly over the years is the high cost of maintenance. Friends with BMWs will validate this. I hope the XType is not in the same boat. Mine will be under warranty and free maintenance for the life of the lease so I may never know unless I decide to buy it. So far, over 5K in five months and NO problems.#1067 of 2594 by jagboyxkr
May 31, 2002 (2:33 pm)
Nice to hear from you again, desertguy! I've still had NO problems either. Maybe it's the Carnival Red...
How are your seats looking? I clean mine all of the time to keep them looking brand-new, and I was wondering how someone else with Ivory was doing. Someone posted that Jaguar's leather cleaner has worked best for them with Ivory, so I'll check on that next time I'm at the dealer. What do you use? Our Ivory interior S-TYPE has a slight belt stain on the seat, and nothing else has taken it out yet. I'm thinking of seat covers for my X as a last resort if I get any stains.
#1068 of 2594 jagboyxkr by lenscap
May 31, 2002 (2:48 pm)
"...but I must say that I do not think that Jaguar is having many more problems with any of their models than any other manufacturer."This is not true, especially compared to the Japanese cars.
If you take a look at J.D. Power's latest study in 2002 initial vehicle quality (released yesterday) you'll see there's not a Jaguar to be found at the top of any list.
Lots and lots of Japanese products. And the plant that produces the best cars in the world is located in Japan.
That's not to say that somebody does not prefer a Jaguar to own. There is a lot of emotion that goes into car buying that is not based on facts.
#1069 of 2594 lenscap by jagboyxkr
May 31, 2002 (3:11 pm)
I never said that I did not think that Jaguar has no problems, but I did say that I do not believe that they are having any more problems than the majority of other manufacturers, and that although they are not the most reliable cars, they also are no worse than most anyone else.How is your Toyota engine sluge, anyway?
#1070 of 2594 reliability by akirby
May 31, 2002 (6:01 pm)
Initial quality only covers the first 90 days. Long term reliability is more important. If you check the 2001 long term reliability report which counts problems after 4-5 years, you'll see that Jaguar is #3 just behind Lexus and Infiniti and just ahead of #4 Lincoln. Would you rather have 90 days of quality or 5 years? See for yourself.#1071 of 2594 Leather cleaner - jagboyxkr by desertguy
May 31, 2002 (6:44 pm)
Yeah, has to be the carnival red.<G> I just purchased Lexol cleaner and conditioner(separate bottles) I've used Lexol in the past with good results. You do put me to shame though as I have not cleaned my seats yet and they do need it. I have some beautiful sheepskins from other cars I've had but there are two problems. The head restraints do not come of and require an upholstery shops help and then there are the side airbags that would be covered up. I think with proper maintenance the naked leather is probably the way to go.#1072 of 2594 desertguy by jagboyxkr
Jun 01, 2002 (1:31 pm)
Yeah, I agree with you about the leather. Overall, it is probably the best way to go. I hadn't considered the side airbags until you mentioned them. I just don't want the seats to age before their time. I parked next to a bright red (Phoenix) XKR convertible, and the tan seats inside the car were in horrible condition. The natural texture lines in the leather were so dirty that they were totally black. On Ivory, that would look even worse.Thanks for the Lexol information. I'll go check it out.
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