Honda Odyssey Care and Maintenance

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#669 of 686 2007 Odyssey EX - Tranny Problem After PCM Upgrade by hondalova Sep 19, 2009 (7:19 pm)
Recently received a recall notice from Honda re: the "jugging" problem with my '07 Odyssey EX. We haven't really had the problem, though it does have the low-frequency lugging rumble at around 40 mph from upshifting too quickly that these cars are known for. I figured: (1) recall (2) from Honda itself (3) do it for safety and peace of mind and so my wife brought the car this past Wednesday. However, when my wife drove the car out, she found that it how HAS the "jugging"problem it didn't have and which the PCM upgrade was supposed to "fix." At 30-40 mph, if I slow down, and then get back on the gas, the car intermittently shudders and hops. Dealer says (in a basic crayon level explanation that doesn't fully describe the issue) - transmission PCM was running original software and is now running software with upgrade. But torque converter is still running original version and they're not talking to each other quite properly. Claiming that software upgrades cannot be removed or reversed once installed, they have ordered a new torque converter for the car. It took them 4 hours of time, including a call to tech-line at Honda, to diagnose the problem. However, I have a problem with a software upgrade that damages hardware enough to require a replacement after only 40 miles. Moreover, I was unaware (and may admittedly be naive) that there is even any software or computer controls IN the torque converter. Something just doesn't make sense to me at an instinctive level. What I fear, is another day without my vehicle and an annoyed wife, and still no solution to the problem they created. Anyone else had this problem or tried this fix if you did? All knowledgeable feedback would be welcome b/c I'm really lost on this one. If anyone has a TSB or other literature I could show the dealer, that would also be helpful. Thanks! -FS Replies to this message: jskusn (Sep 22, 2009 12:41 pm) heuken (Sep 22, 2009 2:06 pm) hondalova (Sep 22, 2009 6:18 pm) safetyguy3 (Sep 23, 2009 10:31 am) ranga123 (Sep 25, 2009 7:08 pm) hondalova (Oct 15, 2009 7:00 pm) hvactim (Sep 23, 2009 4:09 pm) ranga123 (Sep 25, 2009 7:09 pm)
#670 of 686 Re: 2007 Odyssey EX - Tranny Problem After PCM Upgrade [hondalova] by jskusn Sep 22, 2009 (12:41 pm)
Replying to: hondalova (Sep 19, 2009 7:19 pm) I just returned from my local Honda dealer after experiencing the same stumbling 40 MPH with the transmission seeking either 4th or 5th gear. I need to have my torque converter replaced and so many Odysseys’ are requiring this fix that the parts are on backorder...best guess is one week. There is a TSB 09-053 from Honda that addresses this problem. http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A09-053.PDF My Ody has 39K miles and interestingly enough my dealer told me today that according to Honda's record my vehicle had the "new" software installed recently. I told the dealer we had never brought this vehicle in for any service visit at any time to any Honda dealer. My wife thinks that some unscrupulous dealer must have filed a bogus warranty claim for the software update. Bizzare. Replies to this message: heuken (Sep 22, 2009 2:06 pm) hondalova (Sep 22, 2009 6:18 pm) safetyguy3 (Sep 23, 2009 10:31 am) ranga123 (Sep 25, 2009 7:08 pm) hondalova (Oct 15, 2009 7:00 pm)
#671 of 686 Re: 2007 Odyssey EX - Tranny Problem After PCM Upgrade [jskusn] by heuken Sep 22, 2009 (2:06 pm)
Replying to: jskusn (Sep 22, 2009 12:41 pm) I had a 2004Odyssey and the tranny went out at 50K miles. My 2007 Odyssey is doing OK with 30K miles so far. I purchased the extended warranty with this one. It's too bad they make a weak tranny, It's a great car otherwise.
#673 of 686 Re: 2007 Odyssey EX - Tranny Problem After PCM Upgrade [jskusn] by hondalova Sep 22, 2009 (6:18 pm)
Replying to: jskusn (Sep 22, 2009 12:41 pm) Replying to: jskusn (Sep 22, 2009 1:41 pm) Thanks for this info. It really floored me that the dealer took 4 hours to diagnose a TSB issue that should be readily apparent in ten minutes. This is not the 1st time this has happened with this car and/or this dealership. Did you have the PCM update already? If so, did you have the stumbling problem before the PCM update or only after, like me? Just curious. Again - thanks!
#674 of 686 Tranny by heuken Sep 23, 2009 (8:44 am)
My '07 has not seen the service dept. yet... I do fluid and filter changes myself. It is running fine so far. Did you get any recall or update notices from Honda? Karl
#675 of 686 Re: 2007 Odyssey EX - Tranny Problem After PCM Upgrade [jskusn] by safetyguy3 Sep 23, 2009 (10:31 am)
Replying to: jskusn (Sep 22, 2009 12:41 pm) Amazing! The exact same thing happened to me yesterday. I wrote a scathing email to the service manager at my local Honda dealer. He replied saying he would look into the issue. The TSB will help me.... Thanks so much. I'll let you know how I make out. Otherwise our 2007 EX is doing great with 50k miles. This bucking problem started around 25k miles and has is worse now. My big concern was a large repair bill down the road on my dime.
#676 of 686 Re: Shake and Brake [ee74] by steveds Sep 23, 2009 (11:47 am)
Replying to: ee74 (Sep 24, 2007 12:25 pm) i have the same problem on a 06. did you determine what the problem was on your van?
#677 of 686 Re: 2007 Odyssey EX - Tranny Problem After PCM Upgrade [hondalova] by hvactim Sep 23, 2009 (4:09 pm)
Replying to: hondalova (Sep 19, 2009 7:19 pm) Hondalova, I have the exact same problem you do. Just brought in my 07 Odyssey for software upgrade (notice received from the dealer) on the transmission this morning thinking it would make the vehicle run better, even though I have no noticeable transmission issue prior to the SW upgrade. Now the car is vibrating/hopping when driving with a light foot on gas pedal at 20-30mph, but transmission seems to work fine with an agressive foot on the gas pedal. Called the dealer back & they want to replace the torque converter too--citing they cannot re-install the original SW version. I wish they would have told me this before installing it. I'm very nervous about having a major job done on at 27k mile van. I'm trying to contact Honda headquarter to see if this SW upgrade can be reverted. Replies to this message: ranga123 (Sep 25, 2009 7:09 pm)
#678 of 686 Re: 2007 Odyssey EX - Tranny Problem After PCM Upgrade [jskusn] by ranga123 Sep 25, 2009 (7:08 pm)
Replying to: jskusn (Sep 22, 2009 12:41 pm) My 07 Odyssey did not have any issues but since I got the S/W upgrade notice, I took it in to the dealer. They installed the S/W update and and right after the S/W upgrade, the judder appeared and was bad. I checked the TSB 09-053 that was applied and it clearly says that if the S/w update does not eliminate the judder, then the torque converter need to be replaced. I called Honda and they told me the same and asked me to return to the dealership. Today I did and a tech who did a test drive with me noticed the judder and after some discussion, they told me they need to call Honda Tech Line. Got a call this afternoon saying they are working on replacing the torque converter and that is the problem. It seems like this is a problem that Honda wants to address as needed. Seems like major work since the tech said they need to remove the transmission to get to the torque converter. Replies to this message: hondalova (Oct 15, 2009 7:00 pm)