but I traded my 2000 Golf GLS TDI last week for a Jetta GLX. I love the power of the vr6 and all, but I miss my TDI. The gas mileage on this Jetta sucks (A). I've gone from filling up at the pumps once every week and a half to filling up once every five days! The TDI is a great engine that will last a long time. I would however purchase a extended warranty though. Mine paid for itself about two weeks before I traded it in. A relay went bad killing the glow plugs. It would've cost me $650.00 to fix with out the warranty.
Also, I was never told of any 20k fuel service by the dealership, and $600 for a new timing belt is high. I may try to purchase another TDI soon. I just wish we could get the 150 hp TDI here in the States.
The main reason the the TDI is exempt from most state emmision tests is that it does not produce the same type of hazardous emmisions. The TDI is a fairly clean burning engine. What comes out of the exhaust are some NOx gases and large particulates. The large particulates are too big to cause any air pollution worries. A gas engine produces low level ozone producers and high level ozone depleaters, such as carbon monoxide. None of which are produced by the TDI. One statement that I heard, and am not willing to try, is that you can stay in a closed garage with the TDI running and live to tell about it. These engines are not like the city buses and the big rigs. After a year of driving, I have yet to see a smoke screen behind me as I pull away from the light.
So let me understand this correctly. You can now buy a TDI and register it new in NY? Is there any press release or NY DMV chapter and verse to cite? Thanks.
#22 of 28 The Beetle GLS (autom) controversy: TDI or non-TDI
Jun 26, 2001 (5:55 pm)
You know what it's like. It's your first new car and you have to make it last, even beyond your car payment period. I know that no car is perfect and risk is inevitable.
The goal is to have maximum performance with affordable maintainance. From what I understand, you spend $600 annually on a gas engine for tune-ups and such. What would the annual fee be on a TDI and on a gas (2.0L 115hsp)?
My concerns on the TDI:
1. the life span of the turbo....when it goes it costs about $4000 with labor How long should the turbo last?
2. Someone has mentioned the injection pump, the heart of the engine. What is its average life span?
3. Someone else above had a TDI for only a year and the relay killed the glow plugs. Is this common or is this a fluke car?
4. What is your fuel system service fee annually?
But I know the TDI has excellent mileage and diesel engines are in long lasting work vehicles. And I enjoyed the ride.
Which one overall will have higher maintenance, the GLS TDI automatic or the GLS (2.0L) automatic? Which one will be the greater investment?
I know the TDI has an injection pump, which is about $1600, whereas the gas GLS has a regular fuel pump. The TDI also has a turbo, which is very expensive to replace, but the service men (who work for the dealers) tell me that if you keep up with everything, that you should be fine. Can you confirm this?
Please give guidance. Thank you.
#23 of 28 Hi jazz15- Welcome to the Hatchbacks Message Board!
Jun 27, 2001 (6:20 am)
While you're waiting here for a response, you may also want to ask (copy/paste) your question in one of our other active New Beetle discussions. To start, here's New Beetle, pricing & information). Good luck with your decision.
I am going through the same thought process as you are. Here are my conclusions:
1. The 2.0 may not be around too much longer, or may be relegated to the base GL model soon. Your call. It is a rather dated design and is known to burn oil. Many people I have talked to say get the 1.8T but then you have a turbo to deal with and premium fuel.
2. I owned a Rabbit diesel. If diesel is in your blood (figuratively anyway) it is a great car to own and fun to drive. Otherwise, you do take a chance as you mention with some potentially huge repair bills, although many posters here and at vwvortex.com will tell you they are driving trouble free. Keep in mind that VW may change the 02 warranty from 10/100 to 5/60 and from 2/24 to 4/50 and eliminate the free 2/24 maintenance currently offered.
3. Gas tune ups should not cost $600 for 100k.
4. Diesel maintenance is generally higher...timing belt, fuel filter, synthetic oil requirement, etc.
5. You might do better with a gasser. Looked at Celica for example? I own the new Elantra 5 door GT hatch and love it. Go see and drive one and look at the level of equipment you get including leather, 4 wheel disc ABS, traction control, roof, keyless entry, fog lights, alloys.....for around $16k. Best warranty in the industry too.
I posted earlier that VW was going to change warranty for 2002. (See earlier post #18)
It is now verified. The warranty will be 4yr/50K miles new car warranty, 5yr/60K miles powertrain, and no more free maintenance.
Calling VWoA even last week and they denied that the warranty would change for 2002. What a bunch of liars.
So..knowing what you know about VWs, is the new warranty better or worse than the old one? Forget the free oil changes.....is the extra 26,000 miles of bumper to bumper worth more than 40,000 less on the engine/powertrain? Any idea on how this might affect the extended warranty prices? Thanks.
I would say the warranty is much better. VW's strong suit has always been their drivetrains, so lowering that warranty probably won't affect anything. However, they have traditionally had problems with their electricals. Gaining the extra warranty there will probably take away a lot of the complaints people have about VW since power window failure at 27K will no longer mean paying out of pocket and VW will have to improve their electrical components in order to minimize warranty claims.
The only thing that would scare me is the drivetrain warranty on the TDIs. If the wrong thing goes on one of them and you have to pay for it, all the anticipated savings in mpg will go right down the drain.