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Chrysler 300M, Sedan
#17304 of 26385 PHG vs non-PHG
May 03, 2002 (3:32 pm)
Just my 2 cents as the owner of a 2001 with PHG-
I had to search in my area to find a PHG-equipped 300M. I drove 6 non-PHG M's and had each salesman do his best to discourage me from the PHG. There is a distinct difference between the 2 suspensions, with the PHG having a bit harsher ride (esp. on rough pavement) but better handling & braking. After nearly a year, I am still very glad I put out the extra effort to get a PHG-equipped M. Others prefer the better ride of the non-PHG cars, so you have to drive both over the same roads to see for yourself.
I'm afraid I must disagree with prior posts regarding the PHG tires (17" Michelin Pilot HX MXM4's) for winter driving. I find them wanting on snow- so much so that last winter I began parking my 300M & driving my Gr Caravan when it snowed. My prior LH sedan (Dodge Intrepid ES w/Goodyear Eagle's) was MUCH better in the winter- clearly better than my Caravan. BTW- The 300M video Chrysler supplied with my car mentioned the point about PHG-equipped tires having inferior traction on wet or snowy roads.
If you like the PHG ride & handling, then by all means get PHG. You may (or may not) find yourself investing in a set of winter tires. (OTOH- with the Special, you WILL need extra winter tires!).
#17305 of 26385 car show at Brampton plant on May 12
May 03, 2002 (4:35 pm)
Hey guys and gals. Just wanted to let you know that on Sunday 12 there will be the local Mopar clubs show in the west parking lot of the plant. If your in the area drop in see some old and new Mopars .
May 03, 2002 (5:18 pm)
17 Point lead--6 min left--this is Boston's year in Sports
#17307 of 26385 My 2.5 cents adjustiing for infation.
May 03, 2002 (6:12 pm)
I purchase my Non after driving both. The facts are as you heard before. The non is a softer ride and a little quieter. The PHPor G has better braking (bigger disks) and tighter (ratio) steering. It rolls (firmer struts and jounce bumpers)less in conrners (Not to much differance between the two) and has more senitive brakes. I liked both for differance reasons, but got the non because I figured I could do a couple of simple things like changing the tires to improve corning and such, while keeping the nicer street ride. By tweeking the suspension and tires I have a non that can hold it own against any PHP M (changed from .70 stock to .77 skidpad).
The PHP packiage really come into it's own on country roads. The non is in its element in the city streets. I really depends on the type of roads you drive most (or would like to drive on).
Take each one out for a long drive on the same route, also take a partner with you so that they can take notes (or in my case take sound and performance readings) I always take my Sound, tempiture, and GTech meter with me.
May 03, 2002 (6:27 pm)
On the plant tour in August are we allowed to take our cameras into the plant. Wouldn't want to carry it around if I couldn't use it.
#17309 of 26385 My 2 cents non-PHG
May 03, 2002 (6:53 pm)
Haven't had much experience w/PHP; I rent non-PHP from Dollar Rent A Car. Why not rent one for an idea on how well the car holds up after getting a few thousand miles on it driven by heavy footed renters like me?
#17310 of 26385 Am I doing something wrong: can't get 300M on TCO
May 03, 2002 (7:28 pm)
What happened w/Pat?
May 03, 2002 (8:17 pm)
I don't understand why people who would spend $30k+ on a car - you can,after all, get around for $12K or so - think it is such a God-awful thing to buy a set of tires. If you live in a place where there is ice and snow for a significant portion of the year, you're simply a fool to try to get by on summer or all-season tires - no matter what kind of vehicle you drive. I'm a good-enough driver to get to work on AW's all winter, but I'll be slipping and sliding, and worrying the whole time. Comes the cold weather, put the noisy tires on, turn the stereo up a little louder, and relax on the way to work. If the money bothers you, go make a little more while everyone else is stuck in the driveway.
#17312 of 26385 achance - Winter Tires
May 03, 2002 (9:39 pm)
You may have missed the original question: "is there a much of a perceptable differance between the non-PHG and the PHG".
The second question asked was: "do the speed rated tires on the PHP version have reduced traction on ice/snow compared with the non-PHP"
Most of us also added the comment that the 300m Special's Tires are totally unsatifactory for less than fair weather driving as a side note. The all season Michelins on the PHG and non-PHG M's work quite well for all weather driving so there is really no need to purchase an extra set of tires. This is not the case for the Special.
Of course winter tires are going to work better in Snow and Ice, but to spend $1000 or more on new tires and have to change them twice a year, if you were to purchase a Special, most of us were commenting that we felt it is not worth the extra money and effort Vs buying a regular M with or without PHG. I have been happy with the winter handling of my 2001 PHG with the regular all seasons in Alberta, Canada were we can get snow upto six months of the year. Not many of us Albertan's fell the need, extra cost and hassle anymore to purchase an extra set of tires given the improved quality and winter handling of good quality all season's. Now in Alaska the snow does get a little deeper
May 04, 2002 (5:47 am)
You seem to be anti-Special, but that's OK it's your opinion. I've had a 99 non-PHG 300M that had the original GY's, and they sucked big time. Didn't really matter whether it was good weather or bad. They vibrated, pulled, were slick in the rain, and not useable in the snow. So I already made the investment for a set of Blizzak's and rims and they serve me well in the winter. I'm actually looking forward to significantly better handling and performance with the Pilot Sports on the Special for the other 9 months of the year. And I appreciate your concern otherwise .