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#9 of 15392 Flooding engine? by smwls8 Jan 16, 2001 (2:20 am)
On New Year's day I attempted to crank my 2000 LS 8 to start my 640 mile trip from Atlanta to Miami. It was 24 degrees at my Parent's home, so I knew the car may be a little harder to start, but nothing like what happened. The engine made a very different sound when I turned the key, almost like the starter was not engaging the flywheel. I released the key and tried it again, but it still made the odd sound as though the starter was spinning but the engine was not turning over. I continued to re-try to crank the car, and after several minutes of turning the motor over the v-8 began to occasionally "fire", as though it was trying to crank. After several more attempts the engine fired consistently enough that I released the key. The engine was firing but running extremely rough. The odor of gasoline was very strong in the cabin and the idle was still very rough. At this point I have still not touched the accelerator at all, as the computer controlled fuel injection should handle a cold start. After 4-5 minutes the idle began to smooth out, I put the car in d5 and rolled out of driveway Long story short, I made the 640 mile trip in 8 hours and averaged about 22 mpg. This rough starting incident was isolated and has not happened since, althought the car is not subjected to cold temperatures here in Miami. Any ideas?
#10 of 15392 Re: Flooding Engine by akrus Jan 16, 2001 (4:27 am)
smwls8: In Lincoln LS XII, I posted a message (#818) in which I describe the exact same problem that you had. My friend (service manager at local Lincoln dealer) described it as having to do with the 'cold start procedure'. Look at that message for a little more detail as to his explanation. My car has done that once and never again. He claims that it is a common problem that they see at the shop, not just with the LS', but other Lincoln and Ford products.   Albert
#11 of 15392 Me too on flooding by chartrand Jan 16, 2001 (7:42 am)
Mine wouldn't start over the Christmas holidays. It was 36 degrees out but the car was in the garage. Same starter not engaged sound and strong smell of gas after it finally fired. Took a good 5 minutes of repeated tries before it started. Got a sinking feeling in my stomach that my $40 I baby might be just another Ford.
#12 of 15392 Thanx for the door panel info. by ronniepooh Jan 16, 2001 (8:00 am)
Didnt want to sound like I was bashing the llsoc.com site, because I definitely wasn't. Thats a great site for LS owners. To ezaircon4jc, thanx for posting here the detailed info on the door panel removal steps. It is greatly appreciated.   PS. Is this hard-to-start issue that several have complained of exclusive to the V8's? The proven Duratecs dont seem to have this problem, unless I've missed a post or two. Also seems like some of the issues that the PCM reflashes address are more pronounced in the V8's than in the V6's. Again, that could just be my perspective.
#13 of 15392 Re: Electrical problems by wkam Jan 16, 2001 (9:18 am)
The battery pass through for the LS is located behind the Passenger A-pillar lower trim panel. This positive lead from the battery connects to the starter with a pass through bolt on the engine compartment side. This might be a recall issue but the service mechanic found the bolt shorting against the sheetmetal, killing my electrical system and my dead as a doornail battery. After he replaced the cable in the engine compartment, I haven't experienced any new electrical problems.     In the LS Workshop manual, it states that the standard corporate protocol (SCP), an unshielded twisted pair cable, networks your ABS, audio control module (ACM), driver door module (DDM) which controls the windows, locks, keyless entry, and communicates with the driver seat module (DSM) that controls the power seat and mirror memory, dual automatic temperature control (DATC), instrument cluster module (ICM) which also controls the passive anti-theft system (PATS), front electronic module (FEM) and (REM) that controls your interior and exterior lighting and wiper system, powertrain control module (PCM) which controls the engine and others, RESCU, and .steering column lock module (SCLM) for manual transmission models.   If you wish to experience all of these modules shutting down one at a time like I have while driving home at night, short out your battery cable. Definately pissed me off.   Wes
#14 of 15392 Flooding by airwolf1000 Jan 16, 2001 (10:06 am)
I experienced the same thing dooring the holidays... The car would not start.... It took about 5 minutes, but just like everyone, have not had a problem since. The LS apparently does not like the cold weather!   Regards,   Airwolf1000
#15 of 15392 Re: Electrical problems by wkam Jan 16, 2001 (10:06 am)
The battery pass through for the LS is located behind the Passenger A-pillar lower trim panel. This positive lead from the battery connects to the starter with a pass through bolt on the engine compartment side. This might be a recall issue but the service mechanic found the bolt shorting against the sheetmetal, killing my electrical system and my dead as a doornail battery. After he replaced the cable in the engine compartment, I haven't experienced any new electrical problems.     In the LS Workshop manual, it states that the standard corporate protocol (SCP), an unshielded twisted pair cable, networks your ABS, audio control module (ACM), driver door module (DDM) which controls the windows, locks, keyless entry, and communicates with the driver seat module (DSM) that controls the power seat and mirror memory, dual automatic temperature control (DATC), instrument cluster module (ICM) which also controls the passive anti-theft system (PATS), front electronic module (FEM) and (REM) that controls your interior and exterior lighting and wiper system, powertrain control module (PCM) which controls the engine and others, RESCU, and .steering column lock module (SCLM) for manual transmission models.   If you wish to experience all of these modules shutting down one at a time like I have while driving home at night, short out your battery cable. Definately pissed me off.   Wes
#16 of 15392 Response to Carqwik, Post #1213, Part 12 - Phoenix Maintenance by brentskic Jan 16, 2001 (10:47 am)
I've had service completed at Jack Ross in Scottsdale and at Fiesta in Mesa. There is no comparison. JR in Scottsdale was horrible, very unprofessional regarding times, call backs, estimates, general knowledge of a new car.   Service at fiesta in Mesa has been just the opposite, very professional, putting me in a loaner renter if the car had to stay, good about call backs and time estimates. They also have a service to give you a ride home during certain times of the day, and a pretty comfortable waiting room.   As Chris (lolaj42) notes above he has good experiences at the other Jack Ross dealer in Tempe.
#17 of 15392 Ratios: Stanny by lateralg Jan 16, 2001 (7:47 am)
I read your reply, but don't quite follow.   Given the choice between A & B, which would you choose?               Ratios        ----------------- Gear A B ------ -------- -------- First 3.25 4.33 Second 2.44 3.25 Third 1.55 2.07 Fourth 1.00 1.33 Fifth 0.75 1.00   Rr Axle 3.58 2.69
#18 of 15392 Aftermarket LS by drolds1 Jan 16, 2001 (11:58 am)
My son, who works for the LM dealer that I use, called me this morning all excited. When he arrived for work this AM, on the lot there was a black '01 Sport with a ground effects package, chrome wheels, chrome exhaust tips and mesh grille (front and rear, I think).   They are planning to put this on the showroom floor and offer it for sale. Apparently, they have struck a deal with an aftermarket outfit.   I'm anxious to see what this looks like and to find out what they're adding to the price. It'll be interesting to see if this takes off. I'll post further details as they become available.   Who'd a thunk it!? Usually, their add-ons are SIMCON tops for TC's and Grand Marquis. We've come a long way baby! Replies to this message: lonhaw (Feb 24, 2005 12:44 pm) garsarno (Feb 25, 2005 9:37 am)

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