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#51 of 15392 LS Tires and Suspension by airwolf1000 Jan 17, 2001 (10:31 am)
Ray,   I had a similar conversation with Jonathan Crocker and he advised me not to change my tires, he told me to stick with the Firestones. He said that of course they tested other tires.   For what it is worth, all of the guys in the vehicle dynamics team for the LS have racing experience, some were on the Benetton team, and one was on Mansell or Schumachers team (Someone remind me which pro drivers). These guys know what they are doing and all have racing experience including Jonathan. I think he said he used to race a little Super 7 or something to that effect.   I personally am not going to make any mods to the Suspension. All the parts are meant to work as a system and if one is Off(Even if it is a better part) it messes up the whole system. A case in Point is JR's Car. As Jonathan told him "What did you do to my car?". Jim had some suspension upgrades that messed up the characteristics.   I learned you can't just go around slapping parts expecting an instant improvement. A configuration has to be tested.   In any case after the drive I realized the Suspension configuration is very optimized. Any upgrade I do more than likely will only be detrimental to the configuration. Especially if it is not tested and tuned.   Regards,   Airwolf1000
#52 of 15392 Airwolf - I Agree by stanny1 Jan 17, 2001 (11:14 am)
It IS too easy to spend money and end up with good looks and deteriorated performance.I would only go with a wheel upgrade if indeed it was SIGNIFICANTLY lighter,had the same offset,and was maybe a little wider.I feel that a diameter change above 17" would bring marginal improvement and introduce a whole bunch of complications.If someone finds a lighter wheel at a reasonable price,please let me know.
#53 of 15392 Video ! by joelincoln Jan 17, 2001 (1:24 pm)
Brian, Great video! And the perfect accompanying music to boot. Do you have a version of the file with the actual sound of the car? I'd love to hear that engine and suspension during a real workout.   Thanks, Joe
#54 of 15392 Re: video by ls1bmw0 Jan 17, 2001 (2:17 pm)
Honestly gang. This habit is really bad for my work job. I have to get more creative with the way I pretend to be working when I'm talking on the board!   Actually Joe I have the original video with the sounds. You'll hear the engine but not much suspension (tire) sounds. I did have the windows open but the suspension works so well you don't hear any tire screeching. The Michelin Pilots don't talk much anyway but I was surprised that they and the Firestones didn't complain much.   Now you will hear my and twosctrjns chuckling mightly to ourselves and a hearty "Yeah!" and the end of the run!   I can put the full sound effects version out on the site this week.   Brian
#55 of 15392 Question to all you autocrossers... by ronniepooh Jan 17, 2001 (2:22 pm)
Hey. You guys have spoken of the greathandling and great suspension, but what is the general consensus of the 17 inch Firehawk tires when they were being put to the test? Did they meet or exceed your expectations? What sort of pressures were you guys running?
#56 of 15392 17" Firehawks by reneleblanc Jan 17, 2001 (3:49 pm)
I did about 8 laps of the .7 mile autocross with our LS-8 Sport. I never tried turning the AdvanceTrac off, so I was probably sheltered from some of the slipping and sliding that would otherwise have occurred, but I never felt any problems with the Firehawk tires, nor did I ever feel the AdvanceTrac was doing anything intrusive to limit my lap times. I'm probably not experienced enough with this type of driving to be capable of going faster with the AdvanceTrac disabled.   For all the fun it was, I didn't really want to be taking out cones with the paint on the front or sides of my beloved LS, so I was keeping within my envelope of control, as I have almost always done during my 50+ years of motorcycle riding (That stuff is only fun when you stay alive and don't hurt yourself).   In real world fairly spirited driving on all sorts of road surfaces, both wet and dry, the Firehawks (AND our LS) have always exceeded my expectations.   I havn't had the opportunity to try them in the snow, although having lived near Chicago for 43 years I have had a LOT of experience on snow with a lot of different vehicles. Now that I live in southern Arizona, I just really don't go out of my way to get back to snow. I think snow looks great on the tops of distant mountains and on TV
#57 of 15392 New transmission Reflash by omega8 Jan 17, 2001 (3:50 pm)
Has anyone had the software upgrade? I'm scheduled to take my LS8-Sport in on Friday.
#58 of 15392 Wards LS picture: by buckwheat Jan 17, 2001 (3:54 pm)
With regard to "heyjewell" prior posts 1160 & 1181 and "CWZ" post 46, is it a rendering, a concept, a reality somewhere and why does it appear on Wards Auto site that relates to the LS 3.9V8 engine: http://www.wardsauto.com/be2000/pix/lincolnls.jpg
#59 of 15392 video by akirby Jan 17, 2001 (4:16 pm)
Brian - exactly how many cones were killed during the making of that video? The SPCOC would like to know. They're organizing a boycott as we speak.   (That's the Society for the Protection of Cruelty to Orange Cones in case you didn't figure it out)
#60 of 15392 Firestones by ls1bmw0 Jan 17, 2001 (4:18 pm)
I know when Jonathan was driving JRs car and I was with him, the 'stones lost all semblence of grip at the end of a rather hot lap at which point Jonathan proceeded to lengthen the course by about three car lengths! But that was after the car had probably done about 20 hot laps. When I ran the timing cars the 'stones performed as well as my Michelins, so I don't see any difference between them, from a performance standpoint.   Brian

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