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#4218 of 15392 Competitors... by lslincolnsucks Aug 10, 2001 (1:33 pm)
The LS is falling behind the competition, jsut look at the '02 Maxima at 260HP from a 3.5L V6 and the Acura 3.2TL V6 at 260HP. Yes they are FWD but they have superior build quality and resale value especially when you consider that Lincoln needs to offer 0% financing and free first payments to move the metal. Just think of the resale value on your LS in a few years when these incentives hit you. Note - Acura doesn't have to discount the TL and it outsells the LS 2:1 and has superior resale value, all because they build a quality product!
#4219 of 15392 Acura 3.2TL S @ 260HP by fantom Aug 10, 2001 (1:48 pm)
....is a very attractive package when compared to either the V6 or V8 LS right now. My previous post not withstanding, I totally agree with many others' here.   If Lincoln does not wake up very soon they will miss capitalizing on the wave of reasonably priced, performance luxury vechicles, they helped launch. There are no more 5+ year life cycles like the ones Lincoln enjoyed with their big land yachts. Hope they don't miss the boat.
#4220 of 15392 Looks like by ezaircon4jc Aug 10, 2001 (2:01 pm)
lincolnsucks figured out that the the "other" board doesn't exist. If you don't like Lincoln's fine. I love my LS and wouldn't trade it for anything but another. And Acura DOES discount their cars heavily. Just visit the Acura boards. If you want a Maxima/TL/ES300/I30/Camary/Accord fine. Buy one. I'll stack my LS up against anyone of those cars in any catagory anyday. BTW, I blew away a 2001 Maxima on a right 270 onramp in the outside lane yesterday. The inferior FWD platform just couldn't keep up. The posted advisory speed is 20. I was going 45+ with no tire squeal.
#4221 of 15392 Acura 3.2 TL type S . . . by lolaj42 Aug 10, 2001 (2:06 pm)
So here's a MY02 car with 260 hp, a mere 8 hp more than my MY00 LS8. The car is a FWD appliance (borrowing from Stanny1) that is built on the bland Honda Accord platform. Sorry, it falls woefully short in the ride and handling department when compared with the LS. If you drive them both, and come to the conclusion that the TL is superior, then I'd seriously question you're driving standards. Sure it's 10K cheaper than the LS, and that only goes to show its not a real competitor the LS . . . the Chrysler 300M maybe, but not the LS.   Fit and finish on my 10/99 build LS8 has been first class, and other than moisture in the headlights, I've had absolutely no trouble whatsoever. Lslincolnsucks, you'll never convince me (or many others on this board) that Lincoln falls short in the quality department.
#4222 of 15392 TSB for the weird no start problem by ls1bmw0 Aug 10, 2001 (2:14 pm)
A TSB just got released for the few unfortunates that have experienced the mysterious no start or no crank problem. It is TSB# 01-16-04 Driveability - No Start - Intermittent Crank No Start   The full text in on LLSOC under the Recalls/TSBs link on the navigation bar. It calls for installation of a jumper wiring harness.   Brian   P.S. I'd like to see Acura publish their TSBs. And don't tell me that they don't have them. I tolerated a Honda Accord that my wife had for a year. Yes, it was dependable and there were no problems. But it was without a doubt the DULLEST vehicle I have ever had the displeasure of driving. I've also driven most of the Acura/Lexus/Infiniti line and while, in my opinion, they are fine cars, they are soul-less compared to the European makes and compared to the LS.
#4223 of 15392 Quality by ezaircon4jc Aug 10, 2001 (2:34 pm)
Hmmmmm, upon checking, there has been a grand TOTAL of 1, count 'em, ONE, recall on the LS. There are less then 10 TSB's of which I am aware. That ain't bad for ANY first year car, let alone a first year model change. My windows work every time, my car starts every time (and what a sweet sound with the Borla )) and the seat remembers where I set it. Don't get me wrong. You're the lead dog or your view is kinda crappy. Lincoln has plenty of room for improvement and I believe that behind some seriously heavy, locked doors things are happening! We should expect, not disparage teething pains. How many years was Honda and Toyota here before they built up the level of trust they now have? 5 years? 10? How about BMW? We just need some patience. Lincoln WILL come through as long as we give them the chance. The Old Guard isn't changed overnight. It has been said before. Does anyone think Lincoln would've introduced a car of this type 10 or even 5 years ago? I think not. After listening to JR last January, I'm convinced the LS has a bright future ahead. Pretty soon BMW will have the crappy view
#4224 of 15392 For Stanny1 (& anyone else who cares to chime in) by cdnpinhead Aug 10, 2001 (3:17 pm)
Hey Stan, before acquiring your LS manual, did you test-drive or study the Audi A6?   We all love RWD, but AWD certainly (he said hopefully) is at least as good? Since my recent trip to Europe & introduction to Audi as they're driven rather than marketed, I'm doing some research. I frankly didn't look at Audi's when I was shopping the LS because of perceived reliability issues. Not sure that was accurate, but either way, what do you think?   To address many of the past week's posts, I'm not dumping on the (my) LS. I'm just trying to learn more about one of the bona fide competitors. I've learned a lot about BMW, Lexus & Infiniti over the past couple of years, but never did Audi. Based on much of what I've learned so far, I'll be keeping my LS for awhile.   Audi has very very few dealers. Here in the metro Phoenix area, there's one. If you extend the search to a 200-mile radius, you get up to 2 (count 'em), with the other one being in Tucson. In addition to which, the Audi, even with the Quattro, puts the majority of the weight on the front wheels. The complexity of Quattro & the dual turbo setup (offers those of us who prefer a manual a very attractive option), combined with the scarcity of dealers, doesn't bode well for those who might keep an automobile past the lease or warranty period.   The paint sure looks good (they have a real red) though, and the interiors aren't even in the same zip code with the LS, so I guess we all continue to examine our options.   OTOH, I could spend $2 - 3K on a repaint in a color I like, get the windows fixed, glue back the stuff that's fallen off, and be good to go for several years.   I guess it's the free market at work -- others would consider it whining.
#4225 of 15392 Changes at the PAG: by buckwheat Aug 10, 2001 (3:39 pm)
Premier Auto Group - (subdivides) - a new group is formed within. Effective immediately Mike O'Driscoll is appointed president of the newly formed North American Group of British Marques - Aston Martin, Jaguar & Land Rover North America. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010810/nyf016.html
#4226 of 15392 Don't sell your LS-8 short! by slunar Aug 10, 2001 (3:45 pm)
Interesting reading the comments on LS competition. However, most of you are forgetting one of the LS's strongest points, that is the 3.9L V8. All of the other cars I considered buying had 6 cyl engines. Forget the moans about not enough HP, the LS's V8 engine is simply the smoothest running engine that you can get in a car costing less than $40K. Everything it does from idling to WOT acceleration is unbelievably smooth compared to its 6 cyl competition. The 3.5L V6 in the 300M feels like an egg beater compared to the LS-8. The 3.2 TL, Maxima, ES-300 & I30 have smooth engines for 6's but they are not on par with the Lincoln 8. Dare I say the 3.9L 8 is smoother than the BMW straight 6? The LS's V8 goes a long way in making the LS-8 feel refined. I'm also amazed at how fast my LS-8 warms up in cold weather and I'm equally amazed that sitting in stop & go traffic with the temperature at 102 degrees how the temperature gage barely moves the width of its pointer.
#4227 of 15392 Competitors: RWD and Otherwise (to lolaj42) by giowa Aug 10, 2001 (3:50 pm)
Please pay attention to the words "Sport Sedan". They come in all types and sizes. Crack open the 5/01 issue of Motor Trend. You'll see a six car comparison titled "Sport Sedan Road Trip". They have no trouble including three FWD (S60 T5, 3.2TL S, and 9-3 Viggen); one AWD (A6 2.7T Quattro) and two RWD (330i & C320) into the mix. The two RWDers lead in "handling" (A+ and A versus B- thru A- for FWD and B+ for AWD). Same sorts of comparisons done by C&D, R&T, etc.   And I don't have to defer to anyone in regard to prefering RWD. My '96 Impala SS and '00 LS8 Sport are proof positive. I just know that the lack of RWD doesn't automatically disqualify an otherwise good car from serious Sport Sedan capabilities. Esp. an AWDer.   The stats, price, equipment, and value do make the 3.2TL S a serious competitor. It may be bland in base mode, but in Type S it is an acceleration screamer. And don't anyone tell me the 330i isn't a serious LS competitor. The 3 and 5 Series are the epitome of modern sport sedans. The M models for each are nearly the embodiment of sport sedan driving nirvana.   (Oh, and I could say I'm tired of reading about lots of types of posts. But I ain't God nor the censor of this site. If you don't like something, do what I do. Skip it. That isn't too difficult.)

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