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#4205 of 15392 Focusing, Not Whining (to akirby, #4081) by giowa Aug 10, 2001 (10:19 am)
Pointing out that the LS is falling seriously behind its competitors--including those priced a bit above it, those priced similarly, and now those below it--in areas like acceleration, safety equipment, etc. is NOT whining. It is focusing on the LS and the need, ASAP, to make the breed better.   Look how bleak '02 is for Lincoln. Navigator getting old, lots of competition, incl. a Cadillac that is creaming it in press comparisons. Continental dead; no replacement. Blackwood a niche player limited in sales; something like 5,000 units or so, maybe ten. Town Car soldiering on with no changes; a dinosaur marketed to the AARP crowd and heavily discounted. Only the LS is a fresh, current, competitive product. But it hasn't been updated during its three complete MYs   How much anyone want to bet me that Lincoln will have to offer serious subsidies, discounts, free option packages, rebates, etc. to move MY 02 metal? Sales might spike up on a car like LS if the deals are great. Then all those people will be locked into their 36 month leases. Many other buyers will move elsewhere in '02 or in '03 if the changes don't truly keep up with the competition.   And I do think that a $36-40,000 nicely to heavily optioned 330i sedan is a direct competitor to LS, both 6 & 8. I was trying to buy a 323i when I found the LS.
#4206 of 15392 AC Whistle by kicker9 Aug 10, 2001 (10:34 am)
I have a 2001 sport v-8 w/4500 miles that just developed a whistle through the center vents when in the auto position. If I slow the fan speed down manually, the noise goes away, if I speed in up, it becomes higher pitched. Anyone else come across this annoyance? If so, what was the problem/remedy. Vehicle goes in for 5000 mile maintainence next week anyway, I'll let them figure it out. Thanks, Bill.
#4207 of 15392 2001 LS8 Sport by sclark8 Aug 10, 2001 (10:38 am)
I love my LS8. I purchased my LS in September of 2000 and have had only one warranty problem.   The turn signal stalk had a faulty wiper internal switch that caused the auto wipers to come on when they felt like it. Other than that this car is a pure joy to own and drive.   I enjoy using the SST especially after Mark upgraded the Software engagements. Every time I get on the freeways, I look forward to flooring it and running it through the gears. The engine in this car is fantastic both performance wise and the audible notes that emanate from under that muscular hood. It just sings “Wood…. Leather…. Adrenaline”   My only real problem is keeping it under 100. Thankfully the radar detector reminds me of reality and I take my foot off the accelerator. Another gripe I have is the time I spend looking at maps to find the curvies. Don’t you just hate that?   I guess you could say Lincoln really screwed me over.   LOL
#4208 of 15392 Acura 3.2? by stanny1 Aug 10, 2001 (10:42 am)
How could you buy a FWD instead of a Lincoln LS? In many comparison tests, It is the ONLY RWD you can buy without spending big bucks. The Infiniti G35 is the only competition on the horizon with RWD in this price range. After driving many FWD cars (and owning none), I can only say I've avoided the FWD lobotomy thus far (General Motors hasn't put a reward out on me yet). The 3.2 is an OK appliance until I try to drift the first corner. FWD cars always look funny when they end up pointing backwards on the freeway.
#4209 of 15392 windows by thomas_l Aug 10, 2001 (10:44 am)
The window failure is about the only thing that I haven't had to deal with knock on wud. 08/99 build had since 04/00 with just over 17k on it now. Hopefully the windows will be the next owner's problem not mine.
#4210 of 15392 Window Failures . . . by lolaj42 Aug 10, 2001 (11:19 am)
At least there's a fix for this problem, and Lincoln has accepted responsibility for the failure to begin with. I like the fact that if one window fails, Lincoln will replace BOTH rear window mechanisms gratis. While I may not have gotten the sweetest deal on my purchase price (long story), my dealer did give me 3-year deal for complete maintenance (same as what Lincoln provided for MY01). Either way, if a window fails before Jan. 03, it gets replaced on someone else's checkbook, and I'll know how to push my point.   lslincolnsucks - My friend Kevin (he accompanied me to Mania I in Irvine) has a '00 3.2 TL and would love to get rid of it in favor of an LS . . . he's just "stuck" in his current lease. Per Kevin, the TL has too many squeaks and rattles, and just doesn't feel tight enough for him.
#4211 of 15392 Smart Trac Questions by demkovich Aug 10, 2001 (11:36 am)
I would like to know how the rear wheel drive handles in the snow with the "Smart Trac" option. I know that traction control really doesn't help in winter weather but I'm told the Smart Trac is suppose to be Cats meow in winter. I would like to hear a actual LS owners opinion. Tahnks
#4212 of 15392 RWD & Other Valid Competitors (to stanny1, #4093) by giowa Aug 10, 2001 (12:18 pm)
Valid current and future competitors to LS8 and/or LS6 include: Catera, IS300, 325i, 330i, 525i, 530i, C240, C320, S80, S-type 3.0, GS300, and the G35, FWD/AWD A4, A6, and AWD Jag X-type.   Think the way to view it is sports sedan, not necessarily RWD sport sedan. Sure, we'd like to limit it to RWD, but there are some competitive FWD or AWD sport sedans. Their numbers are competitive. We'd likely argue they "feel different", but that doesn't mean they can be automatically discounted.
#4213 of 15392 The relevance of 0-60 acceleration times by slunar Aug 10, 2001 (12:34 pm)
The September issue of C&D has a luxo comparison (listed here in finishing order of 7 to 1) of the Cadillac DTS, Jag S-type 4.0, Mercedes E430, Infiniti Q45, Lexus GS430, Audi A6 4.2 Quattro & BMW 540i. Well what a surprise, BMW wins again. C&D's biggest complaint was the acceleration of the S-type. Although I usually am awed by every word I type (that's a joke friends) I couldn't have said it better. Here are C&D's words:   "Although it's unfair to judge any automobile outside the NHRA on nothing more than its straight-line acceleration, it can be an indication of overall responsiveness in passing situations, cornering and general road behavior. Here the Jaguar, although acceptable by most standards, lagged behind the best of this particular class and therefore fell in the final grading."   Sounds all too familiar to several LS reviews. I was surprised to see the 0-60 time for the S-type 4.0 at 6.3 seconds, which I think is the fastest time for it in any rag so far. Makes me wonder if the Jag has new PCM software too. The Jag is listed with a 3.31 rear end. Interestingly, both the HP of the S-type and the 540i are almost idendical 281 vs. 282) but the 540i has a lot more torque 324 lb-ft 3600 RPM vs. 287 lb-ft at 4300 RPM. Overall the 540i was the fastest car in the test wining 5 of the 7 different acceleration tests C&D runs.
#4214 of 15392 Giowa - re. Competitors . . . by lolaj42 Aug 10, 2001 (12:49 pm)
There's no way I'd compare ANY FWD platform to the LS. Period. Also, there's no way I'd compare the 3-series BMW, Audi A4, IS300, or Jag X-type to the LS . . . they're all much smaller in size. Just because they're priced similarly doesn't make them direct competitors. If you're comparing by price and 4-doors, then you might as well throw in an Acura MDX on you're shopping list! Also, using your logic, the BMW 5-series competes with the 3-series. Price points are more reflective of demographics than vehicle attributes, and each of the cars you mention are aimed at a similar demographic.   I don't want to start a flame throwing battle here, but this is an old, and tired discussion that's been rehashed for the bazillionth time. The regular contributors on this board pretty much know where we all stand on this point, so I'm not sure who you're trying to convince with your argument. I'm not saying that you're argument doesn't have merit, but it doesn't fully wash with me.   . . . donning the nomex, just in case

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