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#4201 of 15392 5 years? by thomas_l Aug 10, 2001 (9:03 am)
Sounds like a Mitsubishi deal where they flaunt a $99 payment on a new XYZ but don't mention the amount of that last payment (balloon). Join the club with your upside down equity Brian. I am paying an extra $100 each month for the Bonneville that went in for the LS. I won't even mention how bloody the deal on my Grand Marquis was ;-D. I went with leases (3 yr, 15k mi) to avoid that problem again. I am looking forward to the idea of "walking away" at the end of the leases if I choose. I think those of us that leased early (before the '01 models really got out in circulation) probably will be giving the bank a whipping on the residual. According to FMC, my LS will be worth just over $20k in April '03. Conversely, those folks wanting to lease now will not have as favorable a deal. Interestingly enough, the WSJ had an article on Monday about the used car market being flooded with lease returns. I read something to that effect about once month, but the lease deals keep coming.
#4202 of 15392 Window Failure by gkarg Aug 10, 2001 (9:18 am)
I guess the part that really gets me, is what is going to happen AFTER the warranty period is over for my car. I bought my LS and plan to keep it, but am really afraid of the future of these windows. Am I going to have to put a $200 (a guess on cost) part in every six months?   Look at Kevin's situation... the dealer won't even secure a window in the upright position, so that his window isn't down 24/7 - and that is DURING the warranty period for a 2 year old car!   Is Lincoln going to recall these things or give us an warranty to repair for the life of the car?   My RR window is on its second failure - waiting on backordered parts... neither failure was preceeded by any warning (crunching) noises.   My LR window makes a crunching sound at the end of closing - Is this one going too?   Is the outside temp. a factor. My LS is not garaged and it seems funny that so many are having the crashes at the same time.
#4203 of 15392 gkarg - Window Failures by lolaj42 Aug 10, 2001 (9:44 am)
I also wonder what will happen after the warranty period. My LS was built 10/99, and I have NOT had a window problem yet. One of the reasons I monitor Edmunds, and joined LLSOC, was to keep abreast of problems (and potential problems) that arise with the car. Thus far, the only problem I have encountered has been the fogging headlight units. After I heard about the problem here on Edmunds, I noticed the problem develop on my car, and knew how to approach my dealer about it. The same was true regarding the transmission reflash. I'm kind of holding my breath on the rear window failure. During the summer months, I use the window express-open feature from the key fob, and have yet to have a problem, but feel as though I'm living on borrowed time.   . . . now keeping my fingers crossed!
#4204 of 15392 Window failures by lslincolnsucks Aug 10, 2001 (10:09 am)
I have a 15-month old LS8 Sport and both RR/LR window regulators have failed. I'm concerned every time I use the 'global open' feature in fear that a window will get stuck open again. Well, my only recourse has been to convince friends to avoid the LS and it works, (2) friends have purchased Acura 3.2TL's instead of the LS, so at least I'm getting some satisfaction! Are you listening Lincoln - fix the problem or lose more sales...
#4205 of 15392 Focusing, Not Whining (to akirby, #4081) by giowa Aug 10, 2001 (10:19 am)
Pointing out that the LS is falling seriously behind its competitors--including those priced a bit above it, those priced similarly, and now those below it--in areas like acceleration, safety equipment, etc. is NOT whining. It is focusing on the LS and the need, ASAP, to make the breed better.   Look how bleak '02 is for Lincoln. Navigator getting old, lots of competition, incl. a Cadillac that is creaming it in press comparisons. Continental dead; no replacement. Blackwood a niche player limited in sales; something like 5,000 units or so, maybe ten. Town Car soldiering on with no changes; a dinosaur marketed to the AARP crowd and heavily discounted. Only the LS is a fresh, current, competitive product. But it hasn't been updated during its three complete MYs   How much anyone want to bet me that Lincoln will have to offer serious subsidies, discounts, free option packages, rebates, etc. to move MY 02 metal? Sales might spike up on a car like LS if the deals are great. Then all those people will be locked into their 36 month leases. Many other buyers will move elsewhere in '02 or in '03 if the changes don't truly keep up with the competition.   And I do think that a $36-40,000 nicely to heavily optioned 330i sedan is a direct competitor to LS, both 6 & 8. I was trying to buy a 323i when I found the LS.
#4206 of 15392 AC Whistle by kicker9 Aug 10, 2001 (10:34 am)
I have a 2001 sport v-8 w/4500 miles that just developed a whistle through the center vents when in the auto position. If I slow the fan speed down manually, the noise goes away, if I speed in up, it becomes higher pitched. Anyone else come across this annoyance? If so, what was the problem/remedy. Vehicle goes in for 5000 mile maintainence next week anyway, I'll let them figure it out. Thanks, Bill.
#4207 of 15392 2001 LS8 Sport by sclark8 Aug 10, 2001 (10:38 am)
I love my LS8. I purchased my LS in September of 2000 and have had only one warranty problem.   The turn signal stalk had a faulty wiper internal switch that caused the auto wipers to come on when they felt like it. Other than that this car is a pure joy to own and drive.   I enjoy using the SST especially after Mark upgraded the Software engagements. Every time I get on the freeways, I look forward to flooring it and running it through the gears. The engine in this car is fantastic both performance wise and the audible notes that emanate from under that muscular hood. It just sings “Wood…. Leather…. Adrenaline”   My only real problem is keeping it under 100. Thankfully the radar detector reminds me of reality and I take my foot off the accelerator. Another gripe I have is the time I spend looking at maps to find the curvies. Don’t you just hate that?   I guess you could say Lincoln really screwed me over.   LOL
#4208 of 15392 Acura 3.2? by stanny1 Aug 10, 2001 (10:42 am)
How could you buy a FWD instead of a Lincoln LS? In many comparison tests, It is the ONLY RWD you can buy without spending big bucks. The Infiniti G35 is the only competition on the horizon with RWD in this price range. After driving many FWD cars (and owning none), I can only say I've avoided the FWD lobotomy thus far (General Motors hasn't put a reward out on me yet). The 3.2 is an OK appliance until I try to drift the first corner. FWD cars always look funny when they end up pointing backwards on the freeway.
#4209 of 15392 windows by thomas_l Aug 10, 2001 (10:44 am)
The window failure is about the only thing that I haven't had to deal with knock on wud. 08/99 build had since 04/00 with just over 17k on it now. Hopefully the windows will be the next owner's problem not mine.
#4210 of 15392 Window Failures . . . by lolaj42 Aug 10, 2001 (11:19 am)
At least there's a fix for this problem, and Lincoln has accepted responsibility for the failure to begin with. I like the fact that if one window fails, Lincoln will replace BOTH rear window mechanisms gratis. While I may not have gotten the sweetest deal on my purchase price (long story), my dealer did give me 3-year deal for complete maintenance (same as what Lincoln provided for MY01). Either way, if a window fails before Jan. 03, it gets replaced on someone else's checkbook, and I'll know how to push my point.   lslincolnsucks - My friend Kevin (he accompanied me to Mania I in Irvine) has a '00 3.2 TL and would love to get rid of it in favor of an LS . . . he's just "stuck" in his current lease. Per Kevin, the TL has too many squeaks and rattles, and just doesn't feel tight enough for him.

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