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#4193 of 15392 stanny re bean counting by scottc8 Aug 09, 2001 (3:44 pm)
I agree about GM, except they appear to have hired some 20-something GenX skateboard types, guys who call each other "dude", to do their styling.   As for "cost effective", shoot, we'd all be driving Civics if that was our motivator.   akirby, save that earlier post. May need to Copy/Paste it in here every few weeks.
#4194 of 15392 The True Competition Has Changed That Much (to akirby, #4063) by giowa Aug 09, 2001 (4:29 pm)
Just read the 10/00 issue of Motor Trend, the MY 01 New Car issue. Think you'll see how much what you say is our "true" competion has changed. [However, I also think some AWD and FWD cars are true market competitors with the LS. They have changed, too.]   BMW 3 Series: "Stunning M3 debuts; 2.5L base 6 adds 15 hp; hotter 3.0L upline 6 replaces 2.8L; AWD option on sedan and wagons"   BMW 5 Series: "two new engine choices"   Lexus IS300: Completely new [now with manual tranny for MY 02]   MB C-Class: "Completely redesigned for '01... new chassis, two new engines, a 6M trans for the std C240"   Don't forget about the new 02 Jag X-type. And the 02 Altima shows what is happening at a level beneath the LS.   About the only car that has chanched slower than the LS is the Catera. And look what a non-player it is in the market!
#4195 of 15392 Nice picture, Brian by drolds1 Aug 09, 2001 (6:16 pm)
...but who is this Gowling guy and what has he done with our president:)?   Akirby- you could have left it as "Sentra" To wit: preview of 2002 Sentra Spec V in 9/01 Car & Driver: Available with 6-speed manual, LSD, 215/45ZR-17 Contis, Rockford Fosgate stereo. 0-60 in high 6's, "coners with minmal body roll, is stable in transitional maneuvers, and turns in with real conviction." Estimated base price 17-18K.
#4196 of 15392 Competitors - giowa by akirby Aug 10, 2001 (6:11 am)
I only consider one of the cars you mentioned to be true competitors to the LS and that's the 5-series. The others are much smaller vehicles that don't offer V8s. And don't start whining that their V6 is faster than the LS V8. We all know that the LS needs a power boost and it's coming next year. That's not to say that people won't cross shop those vehicles. Hey, I cross shopped a cougar and mustang before I bought my LS but that doesn't mean they are competitors. Audi A6, MB E-class, BMW 5-series (i don't see where the new V6 engines made that much difference - for $10K more they should be faster), Cadillac Catera/CTS (not much comp. here until they get a bigger engine), Lexus GS (ok, they did get a bigger V8). That's what I consider the competition. And I don't see much that has changed between them in the last two years. If Lincoln can (or will) get the power output in the 300+ range then it can compete with the A6 4.2 and 540i and GS430 in that elite class.   I can understand why some of you who have 2 year leases expiring might be disappointed that no major changes occured for 2002, but think of the position that Lincoln was in in 99. They had no idea if this car would even sell - a totally new car that was totally different from anything else in a new market segment. No business would commit big bucks to a project like that until they're sure they can sell them. I'm sure that's why they're a year behind where they wanted to be. It takes 2-3 years (or more) to make major changes to a vehicle - you can't just do it overnight. I'm also sure that Lincoln has to coordinate major changes with Jag since it's a shared platform. That may have more to do with the engine changes than anything else.   So let's stop whining about the competition and focus on the LS again.
#4197 of 15392 And don't forget..... by ls1bmw0 Aug 10, 2001 (7:09 am)
that 76% of LSes sold in 2000 were leased vehicles. Of that number 90% of them were 3 year leases, which end in 2003 or thereabouts. So the next major upgrade to the LS coincides with the ending of the majority of purchaser leases. Sounds right to me. But then again the only way I could have afforded the LS was with a 5 year lease Can't wait until the lease company gets a load of the project car. Guess I'll have to buy it at the end of the lease.   Artie: Typical mispelling. Told you not to pay attention to the fat, bald guy!   Brian
#4198 of 15392 Lease by airwolf1000 Aug 10, 2001 (8:18 am)
Brian if you don't mind me asking what are the terms of your 5 year lease? Did you get it through Ford Red Carpet Lease?   Regards,   Victor
#4199 of 15392 Leases by stanny1 Aug 10, 2001 (8:18 am)
My 3 year Red Carpet Leased expires in July, 2003, just in time to re-lease a 2003 or order a 2004 (I'll have to hitchhike for a couple of months). That should give LM sufficient time to "upgrade". Does anyone know when the first 2002's hit the dealers? I want to scope out the new airbox and take digi-pics. Of course, I will fully document the de-flowering of my existing virgin airbox for the sake of more CFM.
#4200 of 15392 Lease by ls1bmw0 Aug 10, 2001 (8:41 am)
airwolf: Have to look. It isn't through Ford. It's through Wells Fargo and if I know them, I'm probably taking it through the nose, but the payments were tolerable and I was upside-down in my previous car so I didn't have a lot of bargaining room.
#4201 of 15392 5 years? by thomas_l Aug 10, 2001 (9:03 am)
Sounds like a Mitsubishi deal where they flaunt a $99 payment on a new XYZ but don't mention the amount of that last payment (balloon). Join the club with your upside down equity Brian. I am paying an extra $100 each month for the Bonneville that went in for the LS. I won't even mention how bloody the deal on my Grand Marquis was ;-D. I went with leases (3 yr, 15k mi) to avoid that problem again. I am looking forward to the idea of "walking away" at the end of the leases if I choose. I think those of us that leased early (before the '01 models really got out in circulation) probably will be giving the bank a whipping on the residual. According to FMC, my LS will be worth just over $20k in April '03. Conversely, those folks wanting to lease now will not have as favorable a deal. Interestingly enough, the WSJ had an article on Monday about the used car market being flooded with lease returns. I read something to that effect about once month, but the lease deals keep coming.
#4202 of 15392 Window Failure by gkarg Aug 10, 2001 (9:18 am)
I guess the part that really gets me, is what is going to happen AFTER the warranty period is over for my car. I bought my LS and plan to keep it, but am really afraid of the future of these windows. Am I going to have to put a $200 (a guess on cost) part in every six months?   Look at Kevin's situation... the dealer won't even secure a window in the upright position, so that his window isn't down 24/7 - and that is DURING the warranty period for a 2 year old car!   Is Lincoln going to recall these things or give us an warranty to repair for the life of the car?   My RR window is on its second failure - waiting on backordered parts... neither failure was preceeded by any warning (crunching) noises.   My LR window makes a crunching sound at the end of closing - Is this one going too?   Is the outside temp. a factor. My LS is not garaged and it seems funny that so many are having the crashes at the same time.

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