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#4177 of 15392 Horsepower by akirby Aug 09, 2001 (6:07 am)
You guys are incredible. A year ago the LS was wonderful, a great value. An american made BMW for $10K less. Now all of a sudden it's trash, second rate, way behind the competition. The car hasn't changed. The competition (true competition - $30+ RWD luxury sport sedans, not Sentras) hasn't changed that much, has it? I don't shop for vehicles based on 0-60 acceleration figures. It's the total package. I think what we're seeing is a lot of potential in the LS that hasn't been fully developed, and we're getting impatient.   We've been promised more power next year. I think it must be in conjunction with the Jag engine upgrade which is increasing displacement to 3.3 and 4.3. That would make sense to me since the block castings are the same. So the questions is whether the LS will get the larger displacement without VVT (or a milder, cheaper, detuned version of VVT) or keep the current displacement and add the VVT. Sounds like keeping the same blocks without VVT would be the cheaper of the two since you keep the same castings and don't add the cost of VVT. I still think Lincoln could market a SVT or special version with the Jag engine without infringing on the corporate hierarchy. Jag already has plans to SC both the V6 and V8 for the X-type and/or S-type anyway, so there's always that option.   I say give Lincoln a chance to catch up - they acknowledged that they're a year behind. In the meantime just remember that things are not usually as bad (or as good) as they seem to be. Let's just hope the 2005 redesign doesn't look like the new CTS!
#4179 of 15392 Sentras? by akirby Aug 09, 2001 (6:09 am)
I meant Altimas of course.
#4180 of 15392 Some much for my geography :( by ls1bmw0 Aug 09, 2001 (6:32 am)
So there really is an Ottumwa, Iowa? Geez, here I thought they made that town up Have to get out and see the country more.   Love to drive to Dearborn, seeing the country along the way, and gave some serious thought about it, but I've used up quite a bit of my puny vacation hours for the club stuff already. It would take two full days from the left coast to Dearborn with a wife and a 4 year-old, which while the LS is great for long distances, doesn't bode well for family harmony <grin>. If it was just me I would do it in a heartbeat.   aside to akirby: Couldn't agree with you more.
#4181 of 15392 giowa by akirby Aug 09, 2001 (6:33 am)
I am also shocked to be agreeing with you. When we bought our LS the acceleration must have been good, or at least acceptable, or we wouldn't have bought it. So the only thing that has changed over time is perception. Half a second or even a second quicker 0-60 is great for bragging rights but wouldn't sway me to buy a new one. Not that I don't want it, but in the overall scheme it's not worth that much. That plus a lot of other improvements would sway me, but I'm not looking until at least the 2005 MY.   Think of how many V6 Autos have been sold. I bet that at least 95% of buyers are happy with the acceleration. Those that want more will always want more, no matter what.
#4182 of 15392 Shocks by ls1bmw0 Aug 09, 2001 (6:45 am)
If you guys want to see what the new shocks that will be installed on the project car look like, here's a link to the picture on Moriss Dampers site. Forgive the ugly mug shot of me. The shocks look way better! http://www.morissdampers.com/news.html
#4183 of 15392 Aftermarket by leadfoot4 Aug 09, 2001 (6:46 am)
Without trying to start a long, drawn out discussion about modifications, I'll toss in my $.02 worth.   Most cars are designed for the masses. Their target might be a specific segment of the masses, but nontheless it's the masses. There are those of us, who, for whatever the reason, want our cars to be a little unique from all of the other similar units of whatever car we have chosen.  This is where the aftermarket lives. I realize that many more people lease their cars today than in the past. Therefore, due to contractual obligation they can't or won't modify a car that will be gone in 12, 24, or 36 months. Those of us such as myself, who purchase rather than lease, tend to work with the aftermarket to either upgrade the performance or alter in some way the appearance of our car to suit our desires.  I agree that Detroit has come a long way in providing a good platform to enjoy some spirited driving with. However, they also have cut back on the number of options that used to allow you to tailor your car to your specific needs and/or wants. The aftermarket has stepped up to the plate with a lot of fairly sophisticated equipment that can fill that gap.  That's the way that I see the situation, and if you don't want to modify your car, that's your choice. This America's a wonderful country, isn't it ??  One more thought in closing. As far back as the mid 1970's, I was making modifications to my cars in order to improve cornering capability, as well as the generally accepted HP increases. Back then, however, the aftermarket was very limited in suspension upgrades. It was definitely "cut and try", or "shadetree engineering" at its finest, but it was also a "character builder".  Once again, over and out......
#4184 of 15392 LS Upgrades by lolaj42 Aug 09, 2001 (6:58 am)
There has been plenty of effort expended on searching out handling improvements for the LS, albiet, they're difficult to come by. It is difficult to really find items that improve the already impressive handling prowess of the LS . . . it was that well engineered from the get go. That said, it IS possible. Increasing wheel size is one (without adding to unsprung weight). Shocks are another area, and Brain/LLSOC has documented this effort in the LLSOC Lincoln Synergy magazine. Modifications in the name of handling improvement come at a greater cost than the performance items discussed thus far, and consequently, they will only appeal to a real enthusiast.   My discussion has completely ignored the effort to enhance the outward appearance of the LS, as there are plenty of body panel and taillight lense kits available. People will always want to customize their ride to suit their personalities. This is not to say that the LS "missed the mark", on the contrary, I think it is still the value leader in the sport sedan segment, maybe just not by as wide a margin as it used to have.
#4185 of 15392 Lolaj42, re/ upgrades by leadfoot4 Aug 09, 2001 (7:35 am)
I completely agree with your comment regarding wheels. When I decided to use the OEM wheels for winter use, I purchased a set of aftermarket rims, and I made sure that they were a litte wider that stock. The change was noticible.  I also wanted to lower the car using a set of Eibach coils. I hesitate, however, to do this, because the rear camber settings are not equal between right and left, and since they're not adjustable (ugghh!!) I don't want to chance exaggerating a questionable situation. If not for this, the coils would have been in a long time ago.
#4186 of 15392 Not Satisfied? by slunar Aug 09, 2001 (7:52 am)
You complacent guys should be happy that a lot of us never seem to be satisfied. I have a saying: If most people were always satisfied with the status quo, we'd still be crapping in outhouses.

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