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#4151 of 15392 What's Next? by stanny1 Aug 08, 2001 (12:52 pm)
Klarson - get rid of that dealer! He has little imagination or is lazy. Go up to pictures on the LLSOC web site. I took the window pics and I drove around for two months with my windows "locked up". Pull off the door panel (see instructions in the speaker replacement how-to's). You will see that the window glass is attached to a black trolley with a plastic "plug". Either your plastic plug popped out or more likely the cable is all messed up (the explosion in the speghetti factory syndrome). You can always silicone seal the plastic plug in but if the cable is loose, just ignore it and head for the black plastic trolley that rides with the window up and down the galvanized metal "rail" or "track". Ignore the cable and push the window with trolley up until the glass is all the way up (window closed). The goal here is to do something so the trolley can't slide down the rail/track. My solution was to drill a small hole in the edge of the rail and stick a cotter pin through the hole, thus preventing the trolley/window from falling down the rail. Easy. If you don't have a cotter pin, use a sheet metal screw. Just "jam it up". The dealer is going to trash the whole assembly anyway. The window debacle is supposed to be long over. The parts should be in stock. My only guess is that the dealers don't see the problem anymore.
#4152 of 15392 Window by thomas_l Aug 08, 2001 (12:57 pm)
When I worked on cars for a living, we would just wedge a piece of wood under the glass (to the bottom of the door). If/when my windows do that, I will rig mine up before I get stuck in a rent-a-Focus - even waiting on parts for a day.   I agree with stanny - can that loser of a dealer!
#4153 of 15392 Windows - Crude but Effective by cdnpinhead Aug 08, 2001 (1:51 pm)
When my right rear window took the dive we all knew it would (months ago), I was able to use the control to crutch it back into the fully closed position. My plan was to gather all the things I need looked after at once, then do my "dealer visit." In the meantime, I just didn't use the RR window.   The fly in the ointment was that I didn't inform my wife that my (moderately) high-dollar "sport sedan" didn't really work completely, so when I was on a trip to Europe a couple of weeks ago, she assumed that all the windows worked (silly person).   Net result was that the RR window was down, and wasn't coming/staying up for anything. Here's where the 2" box tape comes in. Placed carefully, a couple of 12 - 18" long strips of tape on the outside of the window will hold it up in the AZ heat. Looks like s&%#, but perhaps that's appropriate. It does work, as does most of the rest of the car, and I don't have to pull the door panel to Mickey-Mouse an internal fix.
#4154 of 15392 More on "enough horsepower" by slunar Aug 08, 2001 (1:51 pm)
If the Duratech 3.0 and 3.9 V8 were both brand new engines I wouldn't be so hard on Ford. However, since there are VVT head versions of both in the Ford Corporate parts bin (Jag) I won't cut the Lincoln product planners any slack here. They screwed up with their marketing plan to try to get most LS customers to buy V8's. If the V6 had 240 HP like the S-type I most likely would have got the V6. The strategy looks sucessful since 80% of LS's sold are V8's. However, this short sighted strategy ignores how much better the car rag. reviews of the LS would have been if it had higher HP and better 0-60 times out of the gate and also leaves us to speculate how much better LS sales could have been given higher HP and better reviews.
#4155 of 15392 window fix by klarson1 Aug 08, 2001 (2:16 pm)
thanks for all the suggestions. Being mechanically challenged. I have taped the window up using duct tape 3 times now. 18 inch strips across the top as suggested. The problem is when sitting in the sun at work it gets so hot that the adhesive lets go. I havent tried the box tape yet which might be a little stronger. I'll give that a try. and you are right it really looks like crap. I tried taking the door panel off once before but I dont have the tools required to get at the little screws under the plastic tab inside the door handle. As for the dealer I know I need to scrap him for sure, its just I bought the car there and a good dealer is not in the area unless I travel to Dulaney vally thanks   oh one last thing Stanny... from what I understand the part is a nationwide back order. meaning they can't get the parts fast enough. My quess the problem is accellerating faster than the V8 Auto with a supercharger. Kevin
#4156 of 15392 Bilstein Shocks by ls1bmw0 Aug 08, 2001 (2:36 pm)
Good luck at finding them for the LS. When I checked a couple of months ago, the answer was "Don't have them, don't know when or if we're going to make them".
#4157 of 15392 Point Proven? (to lolaj42, #4030) by giowa Aug 08, 2001 (4:21 pm)
Think your note helps prove my point. You love your LS. But I noted the lengthy list of acceleration-related improvements you plan to make--Borla, MAF, and airbox. How much will you end up spending (time and money) making your improvements? Obviously the car isn't living up to its acceleration potential in stock form (i.e., logically its acceleration can't be adequate as you feel compelled to expend a lot of effort to improve it).   thomas_1 (#4029): Completely concur with your post. The LS8 Sport is fast fading in overall value. Fallen far behind in acceleration and safety equipment. Reliability isn't up to Lexus or Infiniti standards. Resale nothin' to write home about.   Here's a small list of things Lincoln should be doing as '02 improvements that wouldn't break the bank. Use 3.58 final drive with lower numerical 5th overdrive in both LS6 manual and LS8. Use non-intrusive trunk hinges to improve trunk useability. Add standard full head curtain airbags (running from A to C pillars) and rear seatbelt pretensioners. Optional brake assist & EBP. Make single in-dash CD with at least 6 speakers standard. Is this too much to ask for an '02 that might sticker in the $32-40K range? (And maybe also optional... adjustable driver's pedals? reverse warning sensor? Xenon headlamps? real dash wood?)
#4158 of 15392 Another look at HP by slunar Aug 08, 2001 (4:53 pm)
Here's a question for you avid LS fans. Since Ford and the people at Jaguar don't want the real Jag. engines in the LS or other Ford cars, I'm wondering if LS buyers would have been happy with this solution. What if the LS came with VVT head engines almost like the Jag engines but they were lower compression so they had a bit less HP & torque than the Jag? I'd guess that at 9.5:1 on 87 octane the 3.0 would have 230 HP and the V8 275 HP. I'd also guess that the gas mileage would be similar to current LS engines and the VVT engines would add about $250 to the MSRP. It's kind of late now but just imagine if that's how the LS came in June 1999.
#4159 of 15392 slunar/VVT by brucelinc Aug 08, 2001 (5:10 pm)
I wouldn't be happy with your solution. The Jag isn't quick enough, either. 0-60 takes about 7.0 with VVT and the 3.31 gear. The LS needs to do better than that.   The best solution for me would be to forget about this "We can't have a Lincoln faster than a Jag" mentality and bump them both to about 4.3 liters, add VVT to the LS, and continue development in induction, exhaust, and driveline areas for both. My guess is that Jag buyers would still buy Jags. I doubt if many are running out buying Town Cars because it has a 4.6.
#4160 of 15392 Giowa: Point Proven ? . . . Perhaps by lolaj42 Aug 08, 2001 (5:13 pm)
I haven't owned a car yet that I didn't think could be made better/faster! The cost of a Borla Cat back sys and MAF sensor should cost less than $1K and provide a more visceral sound as well as performance. I don't think, nor have I stated that Lincoln should stand still . . . they must continue to improve the car. Either way, I don't expect to be back in the market until at least the MY05, so how Lincoln actually improves the LS in the mean time is rather inconsequential to me.   I would, however, find it gratifying if Lincoln continued to keep the LS in limelight by staying a step ahead of the competition, but they're not running as fast a product development cycle as their competitors. Some things change slowly. Hopefully F/L/M can step up to the plate on at least a few models in the near future. We'll soon see, as I'm sure we'll be treated to the same sort of information Brain was sworn not to divulge once LLSOC members get to Wixom. While Lincoln may not make several "small" changes each year, I think F/L/M is prepared to make "big" changes that ultimately leap frog their competitors once they get around to it. Only time will tell.

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