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#4118 of 15392 Adequate & Relative Power (ls1bmw0, #4000) by giowa Aug 07, 2001 (10:36 am)
Not sure there is any such thing in the abstract as "adequate power". We all drive in too many varying conditions. When I pass on 2-lane county roads at night with a car coming toward me, I always want more power. When I spent a week in Minn/St Paul area a couple years ago I wanted more power when merging on their interstate from a standing stop on the on ramp.   For me the issue is one of "relative power". Of course, I'm talking useful power that actually does translate into meaningful and obvious performance statistics which I can generate. My '00 LS8 Sport with a bit over 250 hp had an MSRP of $39,000. The new '02 Altima with 240 hp engine and 0-60 5-speed manual time of around 6.3 secs might sell for around $25,000. How is my relative power doing? Not good any more! The '00 Altima (or Maxima) was way shorter on power. Now the one is comparable and the latter will have 260 hp.   Has BMW sat still with their 3 Series? And they are always tinkering with their fine 5 and 7 Series engines. If not more HP, then more useable torque down low. Or Cadillac going to regular 87 octane with 300 HP Northstar.   With the impending demise of Continental, LS needs to pick up the power fast. What we have had wasn't top notch to begin with and is falling further and further behind. And I don't want to wait till MY 04 or 05. By then, I may have a loaded Altima, 330i, etc. I'll have as much if not more performance, safety equipment, luxury, etc. and save dough. Don't need to be a rocket scientist to see why vicious capitalistic competion is great for buyers. Sellers beware! Improve or Die!!!
#4119 of 15392 Giowa - re. Improved Altima, & others by lolaj42 Aug 07, 2001 (10:52 am)
Just because the new Altima, Maxima, or 3-series may add more power that translates to better straight line acceleration doesn't necessarily imply that it's a better car. You can even add in the latest safety features, and it still doesn't make the complete case. While it is true that these are important attributes for a car to posses, styling, size, ride, RWD, etc. are all attributes that still slant in the LS's favor. With complex products such as cars, one must strike a balance between the attributes that are most important to the buyer.
#4120 of 15392 More power by akirby Aug 07, 2001 (11:29 am)
I think the LS is slated for a power upgrade in 2003. The complete redesign was slated for 2005. So you may only have to wait one more year. Right, Brian?? (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)
#4121 of 15392 More power by ls1bmw0 Aug 07, 2001 (11:36 am)
akirby: Yes!   P.S. The 2002 airbox modification that is made at the factory is very similar to the cobbled-up airbox mods that we have been doing. It adds an extra air intake horn into the snorkel to accept air from the gap right by the driver's side headlight.   Brian
#4122 of 15392 HP by thomas_l Aug 07, 2001 (12:52 pm)
I appreciate the insightful comments. In my mind I think back only a couple of years and the 400hp mark was exclusive to ultra high performance cars (911T), with Corvettes, Camaros, and Mustangs pushing 300.   My V8 LS is no race car, but it is beyond adequate for most driving situations I get myself into. I agree and sorta disagree with giowa. I agree that the LS should be competitive within its class. Now if I just beat an Altima by a nose in the 1/4 mile - er I mean freeway on-ramp, I am not too upset. That Altima is not a good comparison. Likewise, you could feel bad about an Integra GS-R - a 4 cyl that will easily stay up with an LS. It's just a different class of car.   I like the power my Dad's '98 STS has. It is just short of being too much (for a 4 door sedan). My guess is that the mid-size sedans will probably top out at just over 300. Any more than that and too many will be wrapped around errant trees and all our insurance will be even higher. Or the owners will be bitching about how fast their tires and brakes wear out and quit buying them.
#4123 of 15392 TSB-01-14-05 and window crashes. by klarson1 Aug 07, 2001 (1:03 pm)
Had my baby back from the dealer 2 weeks and now this. another rear window crash. SInce this window crashed last year I think I've had it up and down 3 times at the most. today with the heat index at 105 I decided to open the windows for a quick cooldown. With a clunk and a snap the window crashes down and stays down. same window as before passenger side rear. so much for reliability... you go consumers report... tell it like it is.   Now for the transmission. according to Mark the 01-05-05 is the same as -01-14-05. Bad news for me. I had the first one done and have repeated problems with the auto trans trying to find which gear to go to... sometimes it just hesitates and you kinda float for awhile and then it snaps into a gear. In addition if you manually downshift when slowing. everytime you go from 3 to 2 the car again seems to hesitate while floating out of gear and then kicks into 2..I was hoping the new tsb would help ...guess not... question for Mark... what do you mean the software is the same but that several calibrations were added.... what does that mean   Thanks for the info. Still a great car but it's spent way too much time at the dealer for repairs...I quess I just got a lemon compared to the rest of you guys..   Kevin 2000 v8 17k miles cordovan
#4124 of 15392 Handling Isn't. . . by cdnpinhead Aug 07, 2001 (1:06 pm)
Everything.   There, I've said it.    While, for me handling is a huge factor (3 out of my last 4 cars had their batteries in the trunk), it's nice to be able to launch a vehicle with a standard transmission without: 1) killing it, or 2) being passed by a car costing 10K less.   Having returned recently from Europe, where standard transmissions are, in fact, standard, I've got a whole new perspective. Manufacturers "over there" actually build cars with excellent fit & finish that have 5- or 6-speed manual transmissions that handle very well. Here's the rub. Is a quattro setup the equal of RWD?    Either way, if I want more than 225 hp and a stick shift, I'll be going European. Much of my "issue" with BMW is the yuppie scum "buy it for the image rather than what it can do" factor, but Audi and others don't appear to be (at least to me) saddled with that.   Remember Ray from the southeast, who posted so much in the early days on this LS board? He's shown up in the Audi A6 board.   Go figure.
#4125 of 15392 Tranny TSB and Window Crashes by airwolf1000 Aug 07, 2001 (1:25 pm)
Just got back my car from the Dealer who told me the Regulators are on Back Order I don't know for how long but I he said "Avoid using the rear Windows" He said he has had alot coming in lately with crashing rear windows. Also They were supposed to apply the TSB for my car whose calibration was not included in the original. As a result I could not have TSB 01-01-05 Loaded. I didn't get the straight scoop on whether it was done or not. I had to take my car before it was done since they are waiting on a new brake fluid cap, besides the Regulator. If I got the New Tranny TSB I can't really feel the difference. Doubt I got it.   Anyway the Calibration is not an enhancement. So when mark was referring to a calibration, he meant a group of cars with a particular calibration were left out and thus could not take the new software.   Regards,   Airwolf
#4126 of 15392 Airbox Mods by stanny1 Aug 07, 2001 (1:32 pm)
The factory mod sounds good but IMHO, the diameter of the snorkel at its entrance to the airbox is still too small., so just adding more inlet potential to any part of the "snorkel" is not addressing this inlet limitation. My idea is open up two holes in the bottom (unfiltered lower) chamber of the airbox and epoxy or silicone seal the ends of two metallic heater hoses (2 to 2.5 inch in diameter)and direct those down to some higher pressure cool spot in the aforementioned "gap" or anywhere to the front. On my 74 Corolla SR-5, I made 6 inlet flanges, 3 for the front panel that fed 3 hoses to 3 inlet flanges bolted on the side of the air cleaner housing. Overkill for a 1600cc engine but effective. Later I designed an electronic module that contolled a spray head that shot pure methanol in a mist above the carb. The methanol richened the mixture but even more cooled the air tremendously because of methanol's high latent heat value. I guess that's why they burn methanol and not gasoline at the Indy 500 and the intake manifolds ice up on the outside. I was going to market the system but Spearco built one just like it for a really cheap price. My system used a Ford windshield washer reservoir and pump, spray nozzle, vacuum switch and a "control module" which insured the unit did not pump when the engine was off or starting. If I had time, I could build on for the LS - sort of a poor man's Nos system.
#4127 of 15392 TSB 01-14-05 by mkovalsk Aug 07, 2001 (1:42 pm)
Airwolf is right. The original TSB left out some of the V8 cars. Those calibrations were not listed so the dealers were unable to apply that TSB. The new TSB has the same software, but the list of cars eligible now includes all the right cars.   The delay on a manual 3-2 is the way it is. Software can't fix that. We are working on hardware changes to help that shift.   Delays on other shifts are another problem. I recommend checking the transmission fluid level. Low level will cause delays.   Mark

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