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#31 of 15392 ronniepooh and stanny1 by drolds1 Jan 16, 2001 (7:14 pm)
... I'm with you on this add-on stuff. It usually looks just like what the name implies-added on and costs a fortune. Money that could be spent on performance. I go for understated elegance, which IMHO, the LS can stand on its own in this regard. It's often criticized for being bland, but I think it's a muscular, elegant design that will prove timeless. Nothing faddish. Let's not forget the stealth factor either. The factory chrome wheels and maybe a light window tint are all it needs. People have followed me into stores to ask about it, so obviously it appeals to some.   I'll reserve judgement on the car I mentioned in # 18 until I see it. I'll let you all know. The promising thing is, at least they're seeming to recognize that there is an enthusiast's market for the LS. Who know's what's next. Maybe some dealer-installed go-fast goodies with warranty a la Motorsport.   joe166-re tires. I sat next to Dick Cupka Fri. night at LS Mania. He made it quite clear that the 17" tires were designed specifically for the LS and NOTHING is going to make you happier. This is the head Lincoln engineer talking, guys. That's enough for me.   BTW- Jonathan Crocker's email is jcrockerford.com
#32 of 15392 Mark -Thanks by stanny1 Jan 16, 2001 (8:20 pm)
The Sable ratios are interesting.I think a .69-.70 overdrive is great.The Duratech Sable could really haul with that final drive and with that .694 get good gas mileage as well.And that was only a four speed unit.Do you remember what the first "gear" ratio was on the Sable Duratech Auto? Maybe it had a pretty high first and needed that 3.77 final? The '91 3.8 must have been a real cruiser with the same .694 OD and a 3.19 final! OK,question of the month: with five speeds in the LS Auto,why not a .69-70 fifth so the V-6 Auto would have a lower cruise rpm? Does the Duratech need to rev that high at cruise? If you did have a .69-.70 fifth,how would that affect the other ratios in the scheme? Thanks
#33 of 15392 Axle ratios by akirby Jan 16, 2001 (8:47 pm)
Actually the BMW 540i has a rear axle ratio of 2.81 (manual and automatic).
#34 of 15392 stanny1 & MPG by ezaircon4jc Jan 16, 2001 (8:56 pm)
Well Stan, thanks to the Great State of California and all our environMENTAList whackos ( thanks for reformulated gas ), the best I can get is 23 with mainly freeway driving. On our last vacation, I got 28 climbing west out of Denver, doing 75 with 3 adults and a trunk full of stuff! A lot of the climbing was in 3rd gear!
#35 of 15392 Duratec Sable by reneleblanc Jan 16, 2001 (9:39 pm)
Well, my other car is a '96 Duratec (200 HP) Taurus (wagon). I assume it has about the same ratios. It is reasonably peppy and gets good mileage, but no way is it a match for my LS-8, either in town or out on the highway. I think having 5 speeds in the LS, instead of 4, as in my Taurus, makes an extremely important improvement in overall flexibility of the transmission and good performance at a variety of speeds, hills, and passing situations.   In any case, I don't worry much about how slowly the engine turns at various speeds.. within reason. I like the engine to be around the middle of its torque curve during normal cruising speeds (70-85) so it doesn't need to downshift for moderate acceleration and is not geared so high that it feels sluggish and has to downshift for every little hill or attempt to accelerate.   I think the LS-8 ratios work very well for high-speed passing when it shifts down to 3rd and blasts off with a huge surge of midrange torque, and then it settles down to quietly cruise along at 80-90 in 5th with no sensation of stress or vibration or noise or 'floating' feelings in the chassis. I'm not a drag racer, but for high speed cruising on all sorts of roads I think they've got it right!
#36 of 15392 Autocross Video! by ls1bmw0 Jan 16, 2001 (9:53 pm)
Hi gang! Just got done uploading the LS Mania Autocross video on to LLSOC. To see it click on the LS Mania Pictures link, then click on video. Be warned the video takes up 27,000kb and is 3 minutes and some seconds long so it will take a while to download. It has music along with it. Hopefully you'll all think the music was appropriate for all those who were there!   It requires Windows Media Player to work. I have not tested this running Netscape yet since with my sloooooow connection at home it took about 15 minutes to load. You fast access types should be able to load pretty quickly.   P.S. The car isn't leaning as much as the cameraman, who was twosctrjns. He graciously volunteered to take life and limb into his own hands to do the video in my LS-8 non-Sport. Actually the cars leaned very little through these pretty severe manuevers.   Broam, er.. Brian (I've been at this too long!)
#37 of 15392 Ezaircon4jc and Reneleblanc by stanny1 Jan 16, 2001 (10:32 pm)
This stuff they call gasoline here in Calif gives us at least a 10% drop in mileage.I drove my dad's Supercharged 1992 Buick Park Avenue back to Nebraska last June and it hit 30 mpg with 5 people and loaded trunk.No such luck in Calif.It only turns 1900 rpm at 75 mph. My 2000 LS Manual is right at the start of the torque curve at 75 mph. With 5 people in the car,it will climb Mountain Springs Grade at 75-80mph. This is a 4000ft ascent from the desert floor west of El Centro to the mountain plateau east of San Diego in the space of about 5 miles. No need to downshift. Could not do that with my 1983 5 speed manual Cressida! I'd be in third gear by the top. Amazing! Around town,with mostly freeway blasting,I'm lucky to cut 20 mpg. But my Cressida did the same mpg,and the LS outweights the Cressida by 600 lbs and has 67 hp more.Somewhere there is more efficiency in the LS despite the weight penalty. If the 540i has a rear ratio of 2.81,it must have a killer first gear or a super hp/weight ratio.
#38 of 15392 LS Mania Video - Incredible ! by stanny1 Jan 16, 2001 (11:41 pm)
Great Work as always Brian. One has to be patient - I have a cable modem running above T1 and I almost gave up after 4 minutes but it's worth the wait.Once loaded,you just go back to the LS Mania pics and it's Instant Replay! Then it's time to call the old lady and kids in to show them what Daddy did that Saturday !!! What a RUSH again! Here comes the adrenalin ! For you who could not attend LS Mania, this is as close to the real thing as you can get, and the most fun you can have sitting down. You just have to imagine the G-forces. Watch that non-sport LS dance,dance,dance! Great music too,Brian. Used as theme music in 1988's "Bright Lights,Big City" with Michael J. Fox.
#39 of 15392 Oxygenated Gasoline by reneleblanc Jan 17, 2001 (4:53 am)
They began using oxygenated gas here in Arizona 4-5 years ago, and we have the same experience of a very noticeable fuel mileage penalty. I first noticed it on the '75 BMW R90/6 I had at the time they started it, and I agree that it seems to cause about a 10% increase in fuel consumption. However, I could tell on my R90, which was extremely sensitive to octane, that the oxygenated fuel seemed to have somewhat higher octane. Since they can't use the oxygenated fuel here in the Summer, because it is too hot here, I don't think they ever changed the octane postings on the pumps.   Now, they're beginning to learn that the oxygenated fuels, at least those involving ether, constitute a groundwater polution threat. Take your pick, do you want to die from bad air or contaminated water?
#40 of 15392 Ratios by mkovalsk Jan 17, 2001 (5:23 am)
First gear in all Taurus/Sables is 2.771:1. The LS auto first gear is 3.24:1. Fifth gear in the LS auto is 0.75:1. The Taurus/Sable needed that high final drive to get the proper cruising RPM with the 0.694:1 overdrive.   Changing this ratio also changes second gear ratio because second is overdrive times first. Gear spacing is very important. Too tall of an overdrive would put second gear ratio too close to third gear ratiot. There would be a big step on the 1-2, followed by a small 2-3 step.   The current overdrive is not ideal, but close. 0.71 would be a very good overdrive ratio.   Mark

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