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#15245 of 15504 Re: Our good looking & expensive to fix 2000 LS V-6 Sport [koury]
Jun 11, 2007 (7:47 pm)
Koury - Oy! Ouch. Etc.
My 2001 LS 5speed has been pretty damm good overall, sorry about your situation., But then, I've only got 84K on her. My wife was just sayin the other day maybe we should sell the LS before it starts costin money? I have mixed feelings, tho the thought has crossed my mind. But thus far, except for a climate control issue that they wont fix because it's SUPPOSED to screw up in the way mine does, - oh and those damn plastic chrome lug nuts - my LS has been 'knock wud' 100% reliable. Tires (twice) and brakes - once at about 70K - is all I've spent on it. Right now I have the bushings for the front end.
There are of course other places to get a lot of the things fixed you're talking about. And they'd probably cost a lot less than the dealer.
So what year is your Nav and what's happening with it? The warranty on my 2004 runs out soon and now you've got me scared!
Do Lincoln's suck? I dunno, I'm on the fence. One thing's for sure, they're getting less appealing, at least IMHO.
Jun 12, 2007 (12:28 pm)
I'm one-month owner of a 2000 LS V-6. I purchased the prestine beauty with 28,000 miles for $13,900. A Carfax report indicated the car had previous "suspension" repairs. I presumed that's the bushing issue seen on another forum here. However, after a couple days of driving, I detected a low thumping sound (almost like loose engine mounts?). Carmax spent two days making repairs after they "found boots on rear arms torn, play in joints and front links". But the noise still occurs when going over roughly paved streets. Under normal highway conditions,
there is no problem. Finally, althought they replaced the steering tilt switch, it only functions occasionally and the steering wheel tilts approximately 1/4 inch. I'm just hoping these are small inconveniences, as I love every other aspect of this car. Suggestions/comments welcome!
#15247 of 15504 Re: Our good looking & expensive to fix 2000 LS V-6 Sport [jeyhoe]
Jun 20, 2007 (5:39 pm)
I guess that's a blanket statement, I'm sure there are plenty of folks happy with their Lincolns.
I didn't start having problems with the LS until around 75K miles. Funny, I was on the highway today thinking how great the car drives - I really do love the car, if you forget all the problems. It rides better than any car I've ever owned.
I've been taking it to my local mechanic for a few years, but there were a couple issues that he couldn't fix, so that's why I took it to the dealer.
My Nav is an '03, 55K miles, warranty expired a few months ago. And guess what - last week the window motor went, had to have it replaced. And the air suspension is sounding pretty bad - much louder than normal. I say a prayer every night.
As for the new Lincolns, forget it. The MKZ is a step down, and the new Nav looks like someone fitted it with oversized braces. I'm going foreign next time around.
I wish you lots of luck with yours!!!
#15248 of 15504 Re: what brake pads to use? [ezaircon4jc]
Jun 21, 2007 (2:59 am)
I installed a full set of Porterfields, as well as a set of SP Performance slotted rotors on my 2000 LS about 3 years ago. I was immediately impressed with the additional stopping power.
However, as the rock band Poison once sang, "every rose has its thorns". In reality, my wife is the prime driver of this car, and she's not a hard driver. She recently mentioned a different feel in the braking, so I took it out for a ride. I immediately felt the dreaded warped rotor shudder. I took the rotors off, expecting to get them re-machined, but found they were trashed. It seems that the Porterfield pads, while developing terrific braking power, do it at the expense of rotor life. In this case, the rotors were about 35,000 miles old.
Secondly, the pads didn't hold up very well to the New York road salt. The steel backing plate had delaminated from the thinner metal piece that the friction material was bonded to. Basically, the rear pads "fell apart".
I shopped around, and found the best price on "name brand" rotors were EBCs. I added a set of part store "house brand" semi metallic pads at $60 for all 4 wheels, and my wife is back on the road. I did this job last weekend. While I like to have the "trick stuff", I'm getting to a point in life where I just can't continue to throw $$ at the cars, since retirement is just around the corner...I hope. Secondly, the car is 7 years old, and although it has only 53,000 miles on it, it's seen 7 winters of road salt.
#15249 of 15504 Re: Our good looking & expensive to fix 2000 LS V-6 Sport [koury]
Jun 21, 2007 (7:48 am)
Yeah, I hear ya. My LS still good at 85K or so. But I'm starting to get nervous with all the stories I'm hearing. Another one today in the messge folowing yours about Porterfields and warped rotors. I put Porterfields and new rotors on at about 75K.
My Nav still great, but in warrantee for another 7 months. Saw an article this AM that our fearless and brilliant leaders in congress are fixing to cure our love affair with SUVs for good by taxing gas so much that it'll soon be over $6.00 a gallon This alone is reason for me to find someone who hasnt read that story and wants to buy a nice used Navigator. Course with gas at >$6.00/gal, I'd have to replace the Nav with an escape hybrid just to break even on gas. (yuck) Perhaps horses and bicycles are congress' idea for our future. Hard to do a 30 mile commute on a horse or bike though. $6.00 gas = bye bye Ameican Pie and economy. But what the heck, the folks n Wash DC are doing nothing about any of our other ills, why not find an issue to destroy the economy completely.
Oh, yeah, and I'll probably go Japanese this time as well. Only had 2 Jap cars - a Nissan 200SX and a Honda Prelude. Buth were good reliable cards, though the Nissans' interior fell apart sooner than any car I ever saw. I just am going to eschew all thoughts about doing what's right for America etc when I buy my next vehicles. It'll be doing what's right for me and my family from now on. To paraphrase Ray Davies and the Kinks: "There's no America any more."
#15250 of 15504 Re: Our good looking & expensive to fix 2000 LS V-6 Sport [jeyhoe]
Jun 21, 2007 (1:40 pm)
I read an article by a recognized brake expert stating that rotors rarely, if ever are warped. The surging during braking is due to varying friction coefficient on the surface of the rotor. This can be due to surface deposits, or mteallurgical changes due to abuse.
#15251 of 15504 Its been a while
Jun 23, 2007 (5:48 pm)
It has been quite a while since I've visited the LS board. I can still remember reading the earliest posts before The LS even came out in 1999.
My 2000 LS V6 sport auto tranny has been a great car with it now having 97K on the clock. I've babied the car and never drive in the winter here in NW PA. I posted on the Maintenance Page for the LS - 2 posts in regard to replacing the front wheel hub bearings and a very recent no-start condition. (Never stranded though.)
One thing I noticed a few posts back was someone mentioning the steering wheel vibration or chatter. I'm guessing that is the aweful noise that is makes when you pull the key and the steering wheel goes up and in. After a little tinkering and removing a lot of plastic to see inside to find the problem - the treatment is rather simple:
- move the steering wheel out the whole way and keep in the uppermost postion. Push back the black fuzzy trim piece on the left side above the back of the column and shine a flash light on the left side - you should see a threaded metal piece that moves the wheel in and out - this is the culprit. I just spray it with WD-40 with the little straw on it and run it in and out a few times. The sound does come back though.
Hope that helps! There is nothing as embarassing as when you have people with you and that steering wheel makes that aweful sound as it retracts. What a luxurious touch!
#15252 of 15504 Re: Our good looking & expensive to fix 2000 LS V-6 Sport [lateralg]
Jun 26, 2007 (1:43 am)
While I too, have read the articles about brake pad "deposits" causing the pulsations, my rotors were toast. I didn't realize exactly how toasted they were until I took off the fronts, and saw that the back sides were both gouged as well as rusted away. I'm sure that the road salt had a little to do with it, however I'm a little suspicious that the fact that the pistons of the calipers press directly on the back of the rotors probably increases the wear on that side, vs. the outside.
#15253 of 15504 Re: Our good looking & expensive to fix 2000 LS V-6 Sport [schitzo]
Jul 07, 2007 (4:53 pm)
Well, you are getting off easy, They told us at the Lincoln dealership that it would cost us $6000.00 to $8000.00 to fix. They told us that the timing chain guide broke off inside of the engine, I'm wondering if this is true the engine doesn't sound as if anything is inside.
#15254 of 15504 Re: Our good looking & expensive to fix or trade LS V-8
Jul 07, 2007 (5:16 pm)
Well, I've been trying to trade our nice looking LS V-8. A few months ago it decided to go out on me. It all started with about 82K miles on the car now the car was already burning oil but this was something different. She drove fine when I left my job I turned her off got back in started it up and it made a noise and then she started shaking and making all kinds of noises. I took it in they fixed the valve cover gasket the spark plugs, coil, and the tensioner belt (new one) and it was tighten. Okay they called said that the timing chain had broken inside of the engine and that it would cost me between $6 and $8000.dollars to fix I've started the car and drove the car around the block the engine sounds okay it stills shakes and burning oil and making noises after paying $1100.00 dollars. I just have a few questions: Do you think that it's possible for the guide to break in the engine and should I get rid of the car or just keep it.