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#94 of 162 Seat Belts in 04 Sub (Re: jenvw) by carnutinca Mar 06, 2004 (2:29 pm)
The 04 Sub has a shoulder belt in the 2nd row center seat. We have an 02 Sub and it does not. I just got back from the Chevy dealer. Plan on getting a loaded 04 Sub this month. Also, the LATCH system in the 04 Sub is real easy to use.
#95 of 162 Sequioa Versus Surburban...... by gator36 Mar 11, 2004 (3:03 pm)
I thought I would throw in my .02 cents.   After a recent trip to the Auto Show in Motion... I had a chance to drive a Seq right next to a Burb. These vehicles are pounded on during this show. People gun the engine and slam on the brakes. Everyone punches buttons, opens and slams doors. From what I saw and felt, the Seq did not hold up. It rattled, missing buttons, doors did not seem to fit right. The Suburban did not rattle, Had more miles on it than the Seq and it's interior was in better condition. It was obvious that it held up better. Ride quality, I felt like I was in a very capable truck in the burb and in the seq, it felt like a street racer that wanted to be a truck. Someone mentioned in earlier posts that the GM boards are full of gripes and problems. One needs to consider the sheer number of owners of GM versus Toyota Suv's. The ratio of complaints to owners are not as lopsided as some would like to make everyone believe. There is also a fundamental difference in the type of persons owning GM versus Toyota's. GM owners are generally very vocal about complaints. (almost making a mountain out of a molehill) Toyota owners are not vocal and chalk things up to "inconviences" (the proverbial ostrich with his head in the sand). Then there is issues with the various service departments. I have had first hand experiences on both sides of the fence. Toyota... Oil sludge, thats your problem. It takes an act of god for Toyota to admit that there is a problem. GM. Initial responses can be of denial, yet I have seen them go half on the cost of a major component to satisfy a customer. I have never seen that out of a Toyota dealer. Then we can talk ablout TSB's Oh wait, Toyota doesn't have TSB's, that would be a sign of weaknes that is not allowed in their culture. (Yes Toyota does have TSB's) Toyota does fight tooth and nail to keep a potential TSB or recall from ever seeing the light of day. (god forbid someone would see that HUMANS make these vehicles).   GM, walk into a service department with the proper TSB in hand and GM will be happy to perform the repair. (make sure it applies to your situation)   I can hear the arguments already... "If GM has soo many tsb's they must be producing inferior cars" or anything else along those lines. Just remember this, How many of those TSB are mere Service manual updates, Labor operation code updates, Body repair proceedures or upgrades to the vehicles computer code?   I have owned both Toyota and GM, My next vehicle will be a GM in light of the recent trip to the autoshow and experience with friends Toyota's and GM vehicles.
#96 of 162 gator36 by gkatz1 Mar 11, 2004 (4:43 pm)
I'm not sure where you come up with some of your assertions and I really don't want to go point for point. But, I'll tell you that Sequoia owners are very picky, most Toyota owners are. People who buy Toyota's do so because they want a quality superior product. When a Toyota has a quality issue (regardless how small) their owners tend to be very vocal. I find GM owners much more accepting of minor issues like rattles, etc but that's just my observation.   As for TSB's, Toyota issues TSB's pretty regularly (I have access to all of them). GM has more because their lines are more diverse and expansive. But overall, Toyota is much better in initial and long-term quality.
#97 of 162 Thanks for your 2 cents here's mine- by fanman8 Mar 11, 2004 (7:34 pm)
You said "I have owned both Toyota and GM, My next vehicle will be a GM in light of the recent trip to the autoshow and experience with friends Toyota's and GM vehicles."   Good luck with your choice. Both the Sequoia and the Suburban are a good choice. For me, reliability plays an important part in my decision making. Here's how I see it. That extra length in the Burb is just enough to cause parking and getting into tighter spaces more than an inconvenience for me. Fit and finish in the Burb is not as good as in Toyota Sequoia. Better reliability goes also to Toyota Sequoia. In the current issue of Consumer Reports regarding reliability you will find many Toyota's including the Toyota Sequoia. What you won't find, however, in that list of CR good bets is the Suburban. I for one would put more stock in Consumer's interpretation of these facts than what two vehicles looked like to someone at an Auto Show after some hard miles. Also,the Suburban with 13 miles per gallon overall in their tests should be considered somewhat dismal by today's standards. Just my 2 cents.
#98 of 162 Look at the full line... by raddboy41 Mar 12, 2004 (5:00 am)
of vehicles from GM vs. Toyota in the Consumer Reports Auto issue with regards to reliability. Black dots bad, red dots good! This is simple data reported back from owners. Oh, that's right the Toyota owners have their head in the sand. Maybe we could look at the average number of problems reported in the 1yr, 3 yr and 5 yr. chart. Yep, still in the sand....please.
#99 of 162 Re: Gkatz.... by gator36 Mar 12, 2004 (8:17 am)
Toyota owners are very picky?   I can't believe that when I have been next to numerous Toyotas at a traffic light or anyplace else and listened to the ticking in their motors. I have heard the piston slap that affects the mentioned GM motors and the ticking in Toyota motors is louder and more prevalent.   Consumer reports, again let us look at the demographics as well as personality profiles. Oh wait they do not look at that.   Typical responses I have expected, have come up from the posts I have seen. Reason and rational arguments have not been presented. Sort of a napoleonic response I guess. I am done. Have fun everyone.
#100 of 162 gator36 by gkatz1 Mar 12, 2004 (9:18 am)
Why do people pay more to buy a Toyota? BECAUSE THEY WANT A HIGHER QUALITY VEHICLE! Usually people who pay a premium expect their monies worth. Piston slap in Toyota's has been minimal compared to the huge problem with the GM's. Where GM also had increased oil consumption and other related issues, the Toyota's did not and just slapped when cold. Toyota is not perfect by any means, but to say GM is just as good isn't being very honest.
#101 of 162 More reasons why Sequoia is a better choice over Suburban by fanman8 Mar 12, 2004 (10:47 am)
For those of you who are on the fence and can't decide between the Sequoia and the Suburban here is some factual data to help with your decision making. Side curtain airbags available in Sequoia. No side curtain airbags are available in Suburban. NHTS crash tests indicated Sequoia to be a safer vehicle with 5 stars for Driver and 5 stars for passenger. Suburban on the other hand lists 4 Stars for Driver and 3 stars for passenger. Sequoia has 5 year 60,000 mile power train warranty while Suburban has three year 36,000 mile warranty. JD Power and Associates rated Sequoia third among full size sport utility vehicles in initial quality. The Suburban isn't in the top three. Sequoia has better steering response and tighter handling because it has rack and pinion steering instead of recurculating ball type steering in the Suburban. Sequoia turning circle is 42.3' while Suburban is 44.5' And as mentioned earlier, the Sequoia is one foot 3.4 inches shorter making it easier to handle, maneuver and park in tight spaces.
#102 of 162 Oil consumption... by gator36 Mar 12, 2004 (11:55 am)
Do you know of anyone that owns a GM vortec motor 99-2003 that has piston slap and oil consumption? Or are you just responding to one or two messages?   And that is percieved higher quality...
#103 of 162 Yukon XL for me by dako_tian Mar 12, 2004 (3:14 pm)
because I needed to carry 8 people, 4 adults and 3/5/9/12 year old kids, all with shoulder belts (one child safety seat in 3rd row middle with a tether) and luggage on vacation and have all that inside the vehicle. I also needed to stay as close to $30,000 as possible. We paid just under $32,000 for a new 2003 YXL last November using GM and dealer incentives. We did get cloth (my choice in any case), bucket front seats, Bose stereo, etc. So it is far from spartan. Try doing all that in a Sequoia.   If your needs are different, your pockets deeper, your luck and/or shopping skills worse, or biases more entrenched then you may well choose differently. Enjoy what you drive.

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