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#113 of 162 Another reason They are dropping prices on Suburbans by fanman8 Apr 28, 2004 (3:01 pm)
G.M. has been manufacturing Humvees for the military. They can't keep up with production and they get $50,000 for each one of them. That amounts to a tidy sum for G.M. It should be no surprise that G.M has ample assets from their military sales of Humvees given that they are unable to meet current demands for the military. As long as the war in Iraq puts increased demand on Humvees, I would expect deals should be had on many G.M. product lines.
#114 of 162 GM vs. Toyota, RESALE!!!! by tasillo Apr 28, 2004 (6:20 pm)
Unless you plan on driving your new SUV for the next 10+ years, you cannot argue with the Toyota's resale. I happen to be a big Suburban (and Expedition) fan as they are great trucks and that is after many miles of direct experience. However, 3 years later they are worthless! A $50K (sticker) Z71 Sub will be worth about $17K (consult auto lease guide) while the Toyota will command about $25k. Certainly you can buy the Sub for 10K off sticker vs. 5K for the Toyota, however you still come out ahead on the Sequoia. Also, my GM trucks while basically reliable nickel and dimed me to death (4 sets of brake rotors in 85K miles).   My brothers Expedition was similar. $42K new, $15K 4 years and 75K miles later.   As they say, "you pays your money and you's take your choice"! Replies to this message: wildwills (Apr 29, 2004 5:19 am) tasillo (Apr 29, 2004 6:28 am) gwdsequoia (Jul 16, 2004 3:18 pm)
#115 of 162 by steve_ HOST Apr 28, 2004 (6:56 pm)
JD Power just came out with the top 3 models in '04 for each segment:   2004 Initial Quality Study   Steve, Host
#116 of 162 Re: GM vs. Toyota, RESALE!!!! [tasillo #114] by wildwills Apr 29, 2004 (5:19 am)
Replying to: tasillo (Apr 28, 2004 6:20 pm) You brought up something I have noticed among most car manufacturers... that being increased totor/brake wear on both Japanese makes and domestics. Most manufacturers have gone over to rotors at all 4 wheels now, you typically don't find rear drums anymore unless its a 250 series or higher. Rotors too nowadays are throw-aways, meaning they should be replaced each time you get new brake pads.   On my wife's Explorer, I've changed the brakes myself and have had to replace the rotors each time. Fords are especially notorious for running undersized rotos and brake pads. I see a trend on most domestics to go with smaller rotors versurs larger ones like on European imports. It boils down to simple physics, the more mass your vehicle has, the more momentum is has, the more heat generated and the harder it is still stop. Common sense should bear out that full-size SUV's should have at minimum 10 inch rotors all the way around. Or at least vented rotors for improved heat dispersion.   But resale value? It's not really a consideration for when I purchase a vehicle. I look strictly at reliability and ease of maintenance (can I work on the vehicle myself). Plus my overall impression with the vehicle after test driving. I'm a grease monkey at heart and don't mind doing my own automotive work as long as I have the time and know-how. But I have to concede, Toyota's quality outpaces domestic standards. That's what you get by going over to a "Lego" built vehicle with very little variations. GM is definitely heading that way (like Toyota) on their production line. Sooner or later GM will catch up, which will drive the other domestics to follow suit. And that means a better end roduct for all us consumers. But that's my opinion based on much academic research as a Quality guru. Replies to this message: tasillo (Apr 29, 2004 6:28 am)
#117 of 162 Re: GM vs. Toyota, RESALE!!!! [wildwills #116] by tasillo Apr 29, 2004 (6:28 am)
Replying to: wildwills (Apr 29, 2004 5:19 am) The rotor wear/quality issue seems prevalent among all domestic and japanese brands. I believe it is both a size of rotor (ability to dissipate heat) and quality of the metal used. All my GM, Ford and especially Chrysler products go through rotors in 20K miles or less. My BMW 740 however (also a heavy and fast car) has no problems with rotors. BMW does not allow cutting or maching of rotors however so when it's time for pads, it's time for rotors as well (at $100 ea.). From my perspective, this is where the domestic mfg. could really close a gap with the Europeans. Invest in better quality and larger rotors, 4 piston calipers and quality components and customer satisfaction will improve as brakes are a common thread of complaint for GM, Ford and Chrysler.
#118 of 162 Re: Hey [cats_echo #1] by msmith1 Jul 01, 2004 (2:10 pm)
Replying to: cats_echo (Jan 14, 2001 11:59 am) Initially bought a 2002 Sequoia Limited, and traded my car in for a 2003 Yukon SLT. The reason was that we were going to have a third child.   Observations:   Sequoia:   Pros:   - Great fit and finish - Quality interior materials - Quiet motor - More room behind third seat than Yukon - Third seats slide back and forth to add room   Cons:   - Needs more power, a lot more power! - Very large turning radius - Poor visibility out the back - Dives into turns like a 65 Buick - Second row seats do not fold flat to the floor, only flip up. Then you must manually secure in place with a strap - Third row seats very heavy and difficult to remove - Rear power window requires that you either have the keyfob in hand or roll down using the button prior to accessing. - Feature set less than would expect for this vehicle - Experienced terrible mileage (usually 12.5 to 13.0) in town.   Yukon   Pros   - Good power and pulls trailers well - Many features such as XM radio that are not available on Sequoia - Tight turning radius - Great visibility - Good highway manners and very quiet - Seats fold flat very easy, with headrests moving out of the way automatically. - Third row easy to remove. - Average of 15 mpg in town   Cons   - Interior/exterior fit and finish is pathetic, I mean patheetic. - Interior materials not up to par with Sequoia - Not as good resale value as Sequoia   We decided not to have the third child, and when deciding on which vehicle to keep, we chose the Yukon and traded the Sequoia. Replies to this message: gagrice (Jul 06, 2004 5:00 pm)
#119 of 162 choice by petro33 Jul 02, 2004 (6:11 am)
Interesting observation on your pros and cons. I have to agree with your issues on seq second row of seats. The need to tumble forward and strap down and resulting access to the back is troublesome. BUT I disagree on power issue, now maby if you are towing something over 6,000 lbs you might not be able to go 55 up steep hills, but I would take the secure smooth running motor of the seq over the Yukon and the potential repair issues over time.   Milage is a minor price to pay for engine reliability. Plus with kids you may see the shoddy interior of the Yukon detroiate faster that the seq.   However I understand that fold down second seat issue and the difficult third row of seats to take out. I don't do either very much so it was not a factor in my decision.   You can also use the key in the lock in the rear door to roll the window down! What other "back window down options" do you want?   I use large fish eye mirrors on both sides and it gives me perfect visibility.   I would prefer that the seq had the dissapering seat feature and easier to remove third row feature.   Good luck with your new vehicle, I hope yours is one that stands up to the test of time. I do like the way it looks!!!
#120 of 162 When do the new Tahoes/Sequoias arrive by kcflyer Jul 05, 2004 (11:02 am)
I noticed that caddilac has a new escalade due out as an 06. Assuming they make the obvious move to add a disappearing third row seat I'm curious to see if a new Tahoe/Suburban will arrive at the same time. Has anyone heard anything? Same question for a redesigned Sequoia.
#121 of 162 u got conned vs Sequoia by raymur Jul 05, 2004 (3:54 pm)
Anyone who would trade a 2 year old Sequoia for a "you got conned" SLT, is either lying about owning a Sequoia or should have his (or hers) head examined. There's a reason GM is offering $5000.00 off these vehicles and it ain't because they are in hot demand. Replies to this message: msmith1 (Jul 08, 2004 6:17 pm) gagrice (Jul 08, 2004 11:02 pm)
#122 of 162 Sequoia big POLLUTER by gagrice Jul 06, 2004 (1:20 pm)
Has anyone brought up the fact that the Toyota Sequoia is a much worse polluter than the Suburban? The Toyota V8 engines have a long way to go to be as clean as the GM V8 engines. The Sequoia along with the Land Cruiser/LX470 are still in the top 5 worst polluters on the Planet..   http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm

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