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#107 of 162 by steve_ HOST Mar 15, 2004 (7:05 am)
"And if you must drive a titanic SUV, you really can't beat a Suburban for ease of use and passenger hauling."   Sequoia Test Drive (Forbes)   Steve, Host
#108 of 162 Forbes Sequoia Review.. by raddboy41 Mar 16, 2004 (5:07 am)
I've always had a hard time placing any credence in "lifestyle" magazines that can't even get the engine size correct.   "And although the 4.6-liter V-8 is buttery, and shifts from the four-speed automatic are as clean as any in all of truckdom, the motor only knocks out 240hp and 315 ft.-lbs. of torque. "
#109 of 162 Forbes Sequoia Review gripes by husky92 Mar 16, 2004 (4:25 pm)
And how about the picture of the DVD player? I don't know where that's from, but it's not a Sequoia. Maybe a Landcruiser.
#110 of 162 husky92 by gkatz1 Mar 16, 2004 (5:01 pm)
I noticed that too! I don't think it's a Land Cruiser either.
#111 of 162 Toyota vs Chevy suburban by lambert Apr 25, 2004 (5:17 pm)
I have owned 3 Land Cruisers(95,97,02) which I purchased new and have had no regrets. I have owned 2 Suburban 2500 4wdr (99,2001)and also enjoyed owning them. Off road capability and build quality I would give the nod to the Toyotas. For highway driving,power(no comparison)towing and interior space I would go with the Suburbans.  I am looking to buy a new SUV next month and I am considering the Seqouia,I am not to fond of the current Land Cruiser styling and the Seqouia is larger which I like. I will also be pricing a 2500 4 wheel drive Suburban. Tuff decissions.
#112 of 162 Suburbans are a Bargain by wildwills Apr 28, 2004 (5:24 am)
"The Suburbans are a bargain right now....but you have to wonder how they sell'em so cheap? They ain't in the business to lose money on these things so they are still making something...so why is their cost so low??"   That's an easy one to answer. It has to do with production capacity. GM adopted Just-In-Time (JIT) practices from Toyota and were able to significantly reduce their overhead costs, mainly in the way of inventory for the production line. Parts are now delivered as they are needed. Plus GM's purchasing division is notorious for getting rock-botton transportation costs.   Also consider that GM is the largest vehicle manufacturer in the world. This allows GM to offer the higher incentives and cash back values. To make up that lost revenue, GM just has to sell a few more vehicles to offset the cost. It's called a Break Even Sales Point. While GM is till losing some revenue with the higher incentives, ther're able to recoup much more of it than the other manufacturer.   It due to GM having a lower Break Even point that will enable GM to lead the "incentive war" and come out on top. Just take any Pricing Course and you'll see what I'm talking about.
#113 of 162 Another reason They are dropping prices on Suburbans by fanman8 Apr 28, 2004 (3:01 pm)
G.M. has been manufacturing Humvees for the military. They can't keep up with production and they get $50,000 for each one of them. That amounts to a tidy sum for G.M. It should be no surprise that G.M has ample assets from their military sales of Humvees given that they are unable to meet current demands for the military. As long as the war in Iraq puts increased demand on Humvees, I would expect deals should be had on many G.M. product lines.
#114 of 162 GM vs. Toyota, RESALE!!!! by tasillo Apr 28, 2004 (6:20 pm)
Unless you plan on driving your new SUV for the next 10+ years, you cannot argue with the Toyota's resale. I happen to be a big Suburban (and Expedition) fan as they are great trucks and that is after many miles of direct experience. However, 3 years later they are worthless! A $50K (sticker) Z71 Sub will be worth about $17K (consult auto lease guide) while the Toyota will command about $25k. Certainly you can buy the Sub for 10K off sticker vs. 5K for the Toyota, however you still come out ahead on the Sequoia. Also, my GM trucks while basically reliable nickel and dimed me to death (4 sets of brake rotors in 85K miles).   My brothers Expedition was similar. $42K new, $15K 4 years and 75K miles later.   As they say, "you pays your money and you's take your choice"! Replies to this message: wildwills (Apr 29, 2004 5:19 am) tasillo (Apr 29, 2004 6:28 am) gwdsequoia (Jul 16, 2004 3:18 pm)
#115 of 162 by steve_ HOST Apr 28, 2004 (6:56 pm)
JD Power just came out with the top 3 models in '04 for each segment:   2004 Initial Quality Study   Steve, Host
#116 of 162 Re: GM vs. Toyota, RESALE!!!! [tasillo #114] by wildwills Apr 29, 2004 (5:19 am)
Replying to: tasillo (Apr 28, 2004 6:20 pm) You brought up something I have noticed among most car manufacturers... that being increased totor/brake wear on both Japanese makes and domestics. Most manufacturers have gone over to rotors at all 4 wheels now, you typically don't find rear drums anymore unless its a 250 series or higher. Rotors too nowadays are throw-aways, meaning they should be replaced each time you get new brake pads.   On my wife's Explorer, I've changed the brakes myself and have had to replace the rotors each time. Fords are especially notorious for running undersized rotos and brake pads. I see a trend on most domestics to go with smaller rotors versurs larger ones like on European imports. It boils down to simple physics, the more mass your vehicle has, the more momentum is has, the more heat generated and the harder it is still stop. Common sense should bear out that full-size SUV's should have at minimum 10 inch rotors all the way around. Or at least vented rotors for improved heat dispersion.   But resale value? It's not really a consideration for when I purchase a vehicle. I look strictly at reliability and ease of maintenance (can I work on the vehicle myself). Plus my overall impression with the vehicle after test driving. I'm a grease monkey at heart and don't mind doing my own automotive work as long as I have the time and know-how. But I have to concede, Toyota's quality outpaces domestic standards. That's what you get by going over to a "Lego" built vehicle with very little variations. GM is definitely heading that way (like Toyota) on their production line. Sooner or later GM will catch up, which will drive the other domestics to follow suit. And that means a better end roduct for all us consumers. But that's my opinion based on much academic research as a Quality guru. Replies to this message: tasillo (Apr 29, 2004 6:28 am)

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