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#416 of 11554 Irrelevant comparison
Feb 17, 2001 (7:22 am)
I agree the comparison between Impreza and BMW is quite irrelevant in many people's mind. Go and ask around to people who know nothing about cars except for their prices. They all say, "What? BMW and Subaru? Are you nuts?". But for those people who know how to enjoy cars more than lether seats and wood trim, it is very natural to compare 330 and WRX. In Europe and Japan, WRX and STI are very highly regarded. When car magagines in Japan compare sport sedans, they have to omit WRX and EVO even before they start the comparison, simply because cost-performance can not be in the same league.
WRX has terrific chasis, engine, suspension, and handling. It is one of the cars in the market which is most highly decorated with motor sports trophies. It has everything and is proven, but it does not have pedigree of luxury. Now, if an experienced tester says "330 still has an edge in steering and handling" or something, I respect that kind of opinion. I really want to know how "car and driver" will judge WRX.
I guess What I want to say is 330-WRX comparison is quite relevant from the point of view of driving pleasure. But it is quite irrelevant, if you think price and pedegree are important and if you think a car is a piece of furniture.
I own 2000 Jetta VR6 and 1997 Impreza. Jetta's interior/exterior quality is so nice and it's no comparison with Impreza's cheat toy-like interior finish. Now I am approaching 40 years and start to like indulging myself in such a nice interior. This is Jetta-Impreza comparison. So, I agree 330-Impreza comparison IS absurd in that respect. If you can afford, go for 330. But if you are young or a driving enthusiast, WRX-330 comparison is valid, although you must forget about car price in one hand and luxurious interior in the other hand.
4 years from now, I will get rid of my Jetta VR6. If 330 and WRX are still in the market, I will seriously compare them. No doubt. $35K 330 is a little stretch but I can get a highly praised car with gorgous interior/exterior and a normal aspiration engine, and I will be envied (or maybe a bit dingerous in Baltimore). $25K WRX is perfectly within my budget and I can enjoy its driving ability everyday. So, here is at least one guy, who will actually compare the two .
#417 of 11554 "Designer Names"
Feb 17, 2001 (7:38 am)
I think WRX customers would be better served if Subaru had decided not to use a MOMO steering wheel, or offer BBS wheels as an option. Why? Because you're going to pay a lot extra to have those "Designer" labels applied to your vehicle.
I've sat in the new WRX, and while the MOMO steering wheel is nice, it's, IMHO, no better than a steering wheel that Subaru could have designed in house. It's waste of money, as far as I'm concerned.
As for the 17" BBS wheels—$3K just for the wheels, sans tires—is nothing short of highway robbery (pun intended!). With tires, you're probably in the neighborhood of $3.6K. That's crazy!
Again, Subaru has some great 17" in-house rims/tires that are "standard" on overseas WRXs. I doubt they add $3.6K (U.S. $ equivalent) to the cost of the vehicle.
I'd be surprised if SOA sells many of those 17" rims. It's a shame, really.
Feb 17, 2001 (8:33 am)
It's indeed insane, but you must understand Japanese tendancy to worship brands. Steering must be MOMO, wheel BBS, rubber Pirreri, and sheat Recaro. It's stupid and they must study more about American market where people do not care about brands that much.
Feb 17, 2001 (9:49 am)
of Subaru, but that's fairly recent. In fact, ten years ago they were still known as fwd "rust buckets." Most in the U.S. have no significant awareness of rally championships, but they still recall the rust and the econobox styling. It'll be awhile. If the company -- as opposed to just the posters on this board -- is seriously interested in competing in the public eye w/ long time prestige marques, it'll take awhile and a lot more than just one model. I have a Forester and while I love it I would never make a comparision between it and an AllRoad or an X-5 w/o winking. The WRX may be real good -- let's see what the posts are like on this board 9 or 10 months after it appears -- but it's going to take more than speed and "interesting" headlights to compete w/ prestige brands, if that's really an issue. (To me it's not.)
One advantage of a Subaru over the Audi and BMW that I haven't seen mentioned is that parts are available and generally don't require a second mortgage. That's really good (and important to me). But it's not very prestigious.
Feb 17, 2001 (10:17 am)
I agree with you, but there is one thing I want to say. WRX has been around in Japan and Europe for a while and it has already built up prestige out there. It is not an untested, unknown newcomer.
Also, WRX is not "just one model". Subaru has high-output twin-turbo Legacy for 10 years, which has been ranked as one of #1s in the Japanese market where you can find a number of insane domestic sport sedans.
Feb 17, 2001 (12:39 pm)
How long was the Datsun PL510 compared to the BMW?
I have been in the (Toyota) car-biz for 2 decades. Many times I saw the two compared, and having owned both at one time or another (a beemer and an old 510), it's amazing what folks will compare, car to car. Really.
#422 of 11554 Maybe I wasn't clear
Feb 17, 2001 (12:48 pm)
silverjetta, but I wasn't talking about reality (Remember: I'm a fan!). I was talking about perception. And not in Japan. In the US. Sorry. People here on the board, and who buy Subarus, are far ahead of most buyers who would as soon compare a Kia with a BMW as a Subaru with a BMW. Not for quite awhile.
Feb 17, 2001 (1:22 pm)
The March issue of Automobile magazine has an interesting "comparison" between the WRX and the AWD Porsche 911.
Even though you could buy 3 WRXs for the price of the 911, there are some very valid comparisons: in engineering, in corporate philosophy, and in (the bottom line) driving satisfaction. It's an interesting read.
Feb 17, 2001 (2:08 pm)
I guess you are right. It's hard to change people's perception once it's fixed. By the way, rsholland, what was the conclusion of the Porshe-WRX comparison? I though it was a little bit of a strech...
#425 of 11554 WRX vs. 911 AWD
Feb 17, 2001 (3:02 pm)
Certainly not your everyday comparo, and it's very doubtful you will ever see a 911 customer ever cross-shopping a WRX. But that wasn't the point.
The point(s) are: that, besides sharing a boxer and AWD format; Subaru engineers, early on, were strongly influenced by Porsche engineers; and, that for most driving, they both offer similar levels of satisfaction.
By the numbers, the Porsche is the faster car. You would expect that. What I didn't expect was, that according to the folks at Automobile, a WRX is just as much fun to drive as the AWD 911.