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Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Buick Rainier, GMC Envoy XL, Isuzu Ascender, Oldsmobile Bravada, SUV
#8683 of 18329 Motor Trends one-year test update-2002 GMC Envoy
Nov 11, 2002 (11:30 pm)
Just saw Motor Trend for December. The one-year update for the 2002 GMC Envoy reads: "to date, the Envoy's been trouble free, with over 16,000 miles on the clock". They mentioned the only service received was at 9,000 miles (oil change, filter, tire rotation) which cost $84.75. This Envoy has the 1SK package with the 4.10 axle ratio. MT stated averaging 19.6 mpg on the highway. That Envoy was built around the same time as mine, August,2001, and with the same option package (1SK). Mine has also been trouble free. Still looks and drives as it did the day I took delivery fourteen months ago. The only concern I have is with the problems listed on this board. I keep looking for them in my truck but haven't noticed them at all. I don't know if I've been lucky and how much longer my luck will last. The confidence level for my truck is not as high as I would expect; primarily, due to the problems listed in this forum. I guess if I wasn't aware of the problems listed here, I wouldn't be looking for them every time I drive my truck. I have to agree with an earlier post, that only a small handful of people are experiencing major problems. Not bad, considering the thousands of triplets that have been built. One further note concerning GM skimping on the 2003 models. Just came back from the Miami Auto Show. Saw an SLE and SLT 2003 Envoy in the show. Both were missing the map pocket on the back of the driver's seat. Only the passenger seat had one. This looks really weird. On the 2002 models, both front seats have rear map pockets. Also, the Izuzu Ascender is an exact duplicate (it's a "me too" car!)of the Envoy XL. I guess Envoy can't be that bad, if Izuzu copied it.
#8684 of 18329 Re: All my gages stop working
Nov 12, 2002 (12:25 am)
Had the same problem. Pulled and reinserted the instrument panel fuse to clear the problem. Fuse is located in engine compartment fuse block. Olds Customer Care told me to take the vehicle to the dealer next time this happened. There is a TSB for the IP Cluster - Guages Inoperative or Read 'Zero': 02-08-49-004
#8685 of 18329 Re: New TSB 02-04-21-008 - Encoder Motor Sensor
Nov 12, 2002 (12:28 am)
Thanks for the info. I've been waiting for this for a while. It's a shame I have to find out from a bulletin board that a fix is available instead of from the dealer.
Nov 12, 2002 (6:07 am)
#8371 re: Rumblings by scottc454
"...It's hard to have both because what is good for high end breathing is the opposite of what's good for the low end."
More cubic inches always helps both torque and power, all other factors being the same. Bore and stroke, bore and stroke, bore and stroke.
#8687 of 18329 RE: 1-2 shift by scottc454
Nov 12, 2002 (8:03 am)
Duh... yes I understand what you meant now. The wide RATIO gap btwn 1 & 2. Anyway, still, if I force-shift it at 2000-2200 RPM there is plenty of torque in 2nd for city traffic-type driving. Of course the torque converter is dissipating some of the power in slippage and transforming it into heat. I guess the '99 Camaro and '00 Blazer I drove that I believe also use the 4L60-E, just load up the torque converter more at lower shift points. Not sure what the converter stall speed is on these, or if it differs in application to the specific vehicle.
Nov 12, 2002 (8:08 am)
I used to use the saying a lot "there's no replacement for cubic inches".
Just got back from the Las Vegas SEMA show and found the TB and Tahoe SS's very interesting. I really like the look without the roof rack, I wish we could have ordered that way. The TB interior is almost exactly the same except a little more dressed up. Low profile tires with 17" wheels (I think, I looked at so many wheels they all started to look the same). Much lower to the ground. Some spoiler effect to the upper plastic above the hatch door, I could take that or leave it.
Nov 12, 2002 (9:29 am)
Allright, I meant "for a given displacement". Of course more displacement is always good.
If it weren't for fuel economy we'd all have huge engines with tons of torque and power.
Nov 12, 2002 (9:32 am)
the quote is:
"There's no replacement for displacement!"
repeat the mantra:
"BORE, STROKE, BORE, STROKE, BORE, STROKE, ..."
Nov 12, 2002 (9:33 am)
low profile? lower to the ground? spoiler?
What is this, a low rider, or an SUV?
If you want a car, just buy a car!
#8692 of 18329 Low RPM Shudder
Nov 12, 2002 (9:49 am)
Hey all! I had a development with my TB. I am having a vibration at low RPMs. Mostly around 1000-1500RMP. I think that the vibration is there at higher RPMs but the engine washes it out. It's pretty blaten. I can feel it when I turn the wheel as well. Almost like the steering pump is loading the engine. Has anyone else had this sort of thing? If so any suggestions? The dealership told me that it was "within tolerance". Tolerance of what I don't know!
Thanks for anyones help.