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Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Buick Rainier, GMC Envoy XL, Isuzu Ascender, Oldsmobile Bravada, SUV
#418 of 18329 Thanks for the advice....
Apr 05, 2001 (1:08 pm)
The only problem I have with the 2002 Bravada is I don't like the look that much. It is sort of growing on me, but I really like the look of the Envoy more. My dilema is, Oldsmobile is the only one offering 0.0% financing. I guess I could wait to see if GMC offers that on the Envoy... altho from the looks of the recall issue, I'll be waiting awhile regardless. Thanks to everyone for the advice, for sure I'd go through a .com to get the internet manager and a good price. www.carsdirect.com has pretty good prices on most of their vehicles, but you can't haggle a trade-in or financing with them, you have to go through the dealer once things are setup with carsdirect. And you don't have much leverage since the deal is already done.
#419 of 18329 GM Quality
Apr 05, 2001 (2:09 pm)
This recall is absolutely unbelievable. They want you to call them to pick the vehicles up because they are so unsafe to drive. How many times are American manufacturers going to shoot themselves in the foot? I was getting close to convincing myself to buy a domestic vehicle for the first time in 15 years. I don't think so now. I'll stick with my Nissan.
#420 of 18329 Good ?
Apr 05, 2001 (2:40 pm)
Unbelievable is the better word. 30,000 produced, plant shut down, no fix yet, too dangerous to drive. Do the words "money back" come to mind.
#421 of 18329 Did Ford do better?
Apr 05, 2001 (3:26 pm)
Is it worse to leave the vehicles on the road as Ford did or to stop, assess the problem (lower control arms cracking) stop selling and keep them off the road. There have been no injuries of any consumers. GM will not accept that possibility. They are doing the right thing. Would you want something else? Like waiting for parts to arrive?
#422 of 18329 Quality Concerns
Apr 05, 2001 (4:17 pm)
This recall is unbelievable! Will they ever get it.
After a long wait and much anticipation, here is my personal experience/reaction to these new offerings. I viewed the Envoy, Trailblazer, and Bravado in that order. I definitely like the styling of the Bravado the best, however, the Envoy looks great as well. The TB would be more appealing if it were not for the chrome band across the front end.
However, in looking at Bravados located at different dealers, I have noticed that the gap between the hood and the left fender(as you are facing the front of the vehicle)is >1/2" wide!.... with the other gap a more reasonable 1/4" or so. This is really a shame that CM would let units like this pass final inspection and get delivered to dealers in this condition. After remarking about this to various sales personnel they just shrug their shoulders and look clue less! One sales mar tried to pass it off by saying that it was easily adjustable and proceeded to pull out on the opposite fender to make that gap wider to match the one on the left! What a joke!
My point is that quality "gaps" like this don't go very far in instilling confidence in a potential buyer who really wants to embrace these new offerings which seem otherwise well-designed and represent a great value. If one sees obvious quality gaps like this, what does it say about how the rest of the vehicle was assembled.....a a the lower control arm that is the subject of the recall!
CM are you listening. We really want to embrace these new products. Give us something to believe in.
Apr 05, 2001 (4:38 pm)
The General Motor's SUV recall is becoming the norm not the exception in the American Automotive industry, they have digressed back to the sixties and seventies when it was buyer beware and quality control was not in their vocabulary.
Ford has their roll over Explorer, Chrysler 50,000 buy backs since 1993 including the Jeep lemons and General Motor's terrible rating record with Consumer Reports and now their new SUV recall. Can't they realize that products should be engineered and tested before they are released. Why buy American when their are many superior quality SUVs available from foreign companies that appear to understand the words ENGINEERING, QUALITY, SAFETY and SERVICE.
Apr 05, 2001 (5:13 pm)
equiman : I wouldn't be too smug about Nissan. Far from top of the quality/ reliability heap. I like the Pathfinder but it's got it's problems too. Our best friends bought one three months ago and it's been in the shop twice already.
As for the problem, it almost sounds like an over reaction. "Don't drive your truck"??
I still think GM is doing the right thing here. Honda and Ford tend not to do that sort of thing.
#426 of 18329 Japanese better?
Apr 05, 2001 (5:51 pm)
Help me out here, wasn't it just last year that it was discovered, Mitsubishi had taken numerous warranty reports, some safety related, and hidden them within the corporation? Not that it really matters, but if I recall correctly, the sum total of the punishment was about ten thousand dollars American. I guess I wouldn't condemn the entire Japanese OR American auto industry but I would salute a company that shows guts in the name of safety rather than hiding a problem. Remember the key in all this: nobody who has purchased one of these vehicles has been injured.
#427 of 18329 Lease Prices
Apr 05, 2001 (6:18 pm)
I understand that there were leasing deals announced just before the recall. Anyone have an estimate on the monthly payment for a 36 month 12,000 mile/yr. lease with $3000 down? In any event, this kind of part failure is relatively unprecedented, for the car not to be driveable at all. I can never remember a recall where the company said don't drive to the dealership for the repair...we'll tow it in. Don't they select production line vehicles for rigorous testing?