My wife and I bought a 2002 Bravada about 1 month ago. So far only a couple minor problems. But we are concerned about, in the event of a crash, the safety of rear seat passengers due to there only being 1 latch to secure the wider rear seat bottom. See posts 2971 & 2995 for more information. The middle part of the seat is not secured and we will need to put a car seat there in a few months. I looked at a Bravada, an Envoy, and a TB at the Philadelphia auto show last week and they were all made this way. It seems that GM is relying on a seat-belted passenger to keep the seat in place. Does anybody else out there agree that this is a safety issue that GM should correct or are we just overly concerned? I contacted Oldsmobile about getting another latch installed but have had no luck so far. If you were not already aware of this, take a look at your rear middle seat bottom and see just how loose it is. Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks.
This is probably why the Envoy manual explicitly says NOT to install a child seat in the center position.
Yeah, I was ticked off about that too since I have two child seats to install, but I was simply informed to go to my local fire department or police department for assitance with installing the child seat properly. Pretty much useless talking to GM.
Let me start by saying I have not yet looked closely at the back seat of the triplets, but my family has had 3 Yukons with the same style folding back seats and the large side only has one latch. I believe this is to make it easier to flip the seat down and I do not think it compromises the saftely at all.
First of all, the single latch that is there provides a good amount of security I would imagine. Second, if anyone is seated in the back, they are supposed to (by law) be wearing their seatbelt. If they are, then the seatbelt will hold them down against the seat and it will not be able to move.
Second of all, our first Yukon rolled over one and a half times on the interstate doing about 65mph towing a 24ft boat. There were two people in the backseat (my brother and me) and even though the Yukon landed upside down, the seats did not come loose. (By the way, all four of us walked away from the crash thanks to the seatbelts).
I think this is being made into a bigger deal than it needs to be. While I am not claiming that GM is perfect and that there couldn't possibly be anything wrong with the design, I think that if the rear seat was inclined to release it would have shown up during crash testing (especially when the seat was unoccupied) and then would have been fixed or altered if it were a problem.
Are you people that bored that you spend all day staring at your license plate hoping your paint will get better? This board is turning into an obsessive compulsive disorder workshop to see who can find the slightest problem first.How many people come up to you and notice a miniscule scrape of paint that looks like wax in a crevice and look down on you? The truck is a brand new model and problems do arise and will be dealt with in an order of importance I would imagine.No car is perfect in this price range at least,so maybe you should save your pennies and buy something else.You knew the risks buying first year but had to have one anyways so relax and enjoy it.You people act like you just bought Bentleys or a Rolls Royce it's a grocery getter and a decent one too.If this was your last purchase forever then you lose but most people keep cars 2-3 years and get something else.I bought mine knowing small things would arise but don't let them ruin my day.This is not my daily driver and was purchased mainly to drive in winter but still performs very well at it despite your end of the world paint issue.
Tlauro was right about the wandering mirror fix! I had my driver's side mirror replaced in December due to the yellow turn signal indicator being broken off, I noticed that the new mirror worked flawlessly whereas the passenger mirror still had a "mind of it's own." On a recent trip to my dealer, I told him about this "crazy" passenger-side mirror and he stated that they placed another one on order BUT they were on national back order.. hmmm I wonder why? Everyone's figuring out that if they have these mirrors replaced with newer models, the control module code has been revised to correct the problem!
After reading tlauro's post # 3302, I pulled out my paperwork from when I had the driver's side mirror replaced. Sure enough it states: replaced mirror with special order part # 15097470! Well.. that replacement mirror took care of the driver's side, but I wanted to ensure that this would correct the problem. I contacted the dealership that tlauro had worked with and was informed by the service tech that replacing these mirrors with the newer models should resolve this problem! My local dealership called today to inform me that my "back-ordered" mirror had arrived and that they will install it next Monday, January 21st (part # 15097471).
All in all, I think that we now have a solution to the mirror problem on the triplets! Special thanks to tlauro for helping in this effort! Since the mirrors are on back-order, I would strongly advise that IF you are experiencing problems with your mirrors, you may want to make a special trip over to your local dealer so that you can get in the "queue!" Good luck everyone and Happy Motoring!!!
PS: Anyone know of any decent Grand Am discussion boards? I am purchasing a 02 Pontiac Grand Am GT1 (4 Dr -- Pewter Metallic w/ graphite leather) this Friday as a second car and would like to do a little more research before purchasing.