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Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Buick Rainier, GMC Envoy XL, Isuzu Ascender, Oldsmobile Bravada, SUV
#246 of 18329 2001 24hr GMC testdrive
Mar 16, 2001 (7:25 pm)
I dropped off my 1999 Yukon for service & my dealer gave me a 2001 Envoy for the day.
Not bad it rides much better than the Yukon.
The engine was fast in compared to the bigger Yukon. However I won't lease this for over 605 per mth. Yukons are going for over 1k per mth, & that invoice.....!!!! My lease is up in q mths on the Yukon IF GM doesn't do anything with the
pricing I'm gone.......One other thought the Envoy looks too much like a mini van from the back!
#247 of 18329 RE: 2001 24hr GMC testdrive by jackgit
Mar 16, 2001 (8:00 pm)
I agree with you about the back of the Envoy. The front however is awesome. I personally prefer the Trailblazer's overall look, but that's just me. Besides price which is unfortunate, do you see yourself leasing the Envoy?
What were your overall impressions of the Envoy?
Did you hear the wind noise that others have commented on recently?
Was the transmission smooth like all General's?
Did the engine feel sluggish or strong?
Let the group know, as any info whether good, bad or ugly will steer us in the right direction. I sure hope these SUVs' are built like a rock.
#248 of 18329 interesting observation
Mar 17, 2001 (1:17 pm)
This is not a review but an observation. After the last eight years I have learned to look at actions rather than rhetoric. A local dealer got three BravadOOO's in to date, ordered for customers. All three customers have canceled their orders after driving their vehicles, so there are three new BravadOOOs on the lot. After driving one I also canceled my order. The sales manager said he was privately very disappointed with the vehicle. Make of that what you wish.
#249 of 18329 RE: interesting observation by dwsiis
Mar 17, 2001 (1:35 pm)
To borrow a phrase from another car company "driving is believing."
Just one question: What exactly made you cancel your order?
I think it would help the group to know.
Another famous phrase: "actions speak louder than words." We will soon find out if loyal GM owners will be flocking elsewhere for a mid-size SUV.
#250 of 18329 Wind Noise
Mar 17, 2001 (1:35 pm)
Have had my Bravada for almost a week, driven at different speeds and conditions. Wind noise doesn't seem to be much when driving into the wind, even at highway speeds. When wind noise seems to show up is when there is crosswind. Most of the noise appears to come from the A pillars and the protruding airflow guides alongside the windshield - cross wind moving across these airflow guides generates the noise. When there is no cross wind or driving into the wind or down wind, wind noise is normal even at highway speeds. I think these airflow guides are there to keep rainwater away from the front side windows, which they do very well.
#251 of 18329 RE: Wind Noise by akajoe
Mar 17, 2001 (1:50 pm)
Cross wind will make noise levels in a cabin of car increase and I can just imagine what it would do to a SUV.
How does the engine and transmission feel and sound?
I tell you I can't wait until these SUVs arrive in Canada. When they do I will test drive one and post detailed observations.
#252 of 18329 Canadian Envoy spotting!
Mar 17, 2001 (5:16 pm)
Saw a 2002 Envoy (blue) on the 401 Friday in Toronto. Not sure if it was a GM corporate test vehicle or if it was off a lot. It had dealer plates on it. It was also getting a lot of looks.
#253 of 18329 bravada Engine and Tranny
Mar 17, 2001 (7:23 pm)
Prior to getting my Bravada, my previous car was an S10-Blazer '88. It was totaled in an accident which is why I had to get a new car. Until I got my Bravada, my insurance company paid for a car rental, and I rented a brand new Mitsubishi Montero, the full size one for a week. The Mitsubishi engines are silky smooth like the Toyota's (at least when they are new). So I was able to compare the new I6 to not only by old S10-Blazer's 4.3L V6, but also to Mitsubishi's V6 (which is world class smooth).
The Bravada engine is as smooth and quiet as the Mitsubishi. Transmission seems to know when to shift at the right time, doesn't hunt up/down at all (with all that torque on tap, it doesn't need to), and this car loafs at below 2000 rpm at 65mph. I had it on cruise control (testing it) at 45mph, and the engine was turning at 1000rpm. Even at this low rpm, the engine doesn't lug and you don't feel any vibration or hear much noise. This engine has way more beef than the Mitsubishi which would rev around 3000 rpm at 65mph on the highway.
My S10-Blazer with the 4.3V6 used to run very low rpms, but would growl and roar mightily. It would also be too torquey at low throttle and low rpm making accelerating from a dead stop or from low speed jerky. This new I6 with drive by wire is completely finessed - the torque is there big time at all speeds, but the computer helps control it. You can pull from a stop or from low speed very smoothly even though the engine is putting out a lot of torque.
#254 of 18329 Drives - Trailblazer vs Envoy, Bravada and Explorer
Mar 17, 2001 (9:01 pm)
The Irvine,CA automall dealers have all of them in stock. I drove a new Trailblazer LT today and like the interior better than the Bravada and Envoy. There is more right leg/knee room due to the instrument panel design, and I like the look and placement of the air vents better. I am a cash buyer and suspect the Chevy dealers will provide better prices. The 2002 Ford Explorer seems very boxy and ugly next to the 2001 Explorers and the new GM products. Blue Oval News also has a story about Ford selling defective parts as new. I wish the 4WD Chevy's had the same body color bumper centers as the brochure shows on the 2WD versions, but hope the two tone LTZ models look good. I see that OnStar is a roughly $900 option on the LS models - I wish it could be deleted - I have a PCS cell phone and do not need or want the very expensive OnStar. I think that the Bravada front exterior and round wheel openings are the best of the three, but the Chevy interior sways me toward the Chevy. I also wish the LTZ had the same wider Michelin tires as the Bravada.
#255 of 18329 Envoy SLE Interior
Mar 18, 2001 (10:40 am)
I just saw my first Envoy SLE. The plastic fake wood I saw in SLT was replaced by a freaky geometric patterned design. Does anyone know if the fake wood is available in the SLE? I was ready to buy an Envoy because I thought the interior of the SLT was well desgined and sort of classy, but the SLE is horrendous. I came across the same thing when looking at Toyota Sequoias and Highlanders. Fake wood in the high end models but ugly designed trim in the base models.
Also, one Orlando FL dealer is selling Trailblazer LTs for $26999, MSRP is $30090 with options like BOSE, trac control and more.