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2002 Envoy Factory Running Boards by hardhawk
Aug 03, 2001 (5:21 pm)
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jw4gm:
 
I just crawled around on my garage floor, flashlight in hand, for 15 minutes. I could not find any set of numbers stamped or on a label anywhere on the running boards or the three metal brackets on each side. I will keep looking and post if I find any sort of part number.
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Air Conditioner problems by 2002blazer
Aug 03, 2001 (6:19 pm)
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Has anyone had problems with their air conditioner blowing warm air after the Trailblazer is stopped? After the TB is moving again sometimes it will begin to blow cool air. I have tried everything to make it work properly with the Mode/Auto control. No luck. Any suggestions? Its going to the dealer next week for repairs. I have had many problems with my TB LTZ, wouldn't recommend anyone buying one. Looks like the Lemon law is in my future.
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Report on my Envoy.. by jgdobak
Aug 03, 2001 (8:16 pm)
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Pewter SLE 4WD Envoy...
 
I've had it since May 23rd, I'm now at 7500 miles.
 
The only thing I've brought it back for is the door scratch guard trim on the driver's side. The rear door trim was mounted too far forward, and was gouged by the driver's door when I opened them both simultaneously. Replaced under warranty, without a question. Even if GM can't put trim on worth a damn, the vehicle itself is well worth minor quabbles.
 
No oil problems. I run synthetic, the engine is smooth as silk, and the transmission has no problems with gear searching, as some reported here. I don't like the way the gearshift feels when you shift it into the 3/2/1 ranges (too much play, and too much pressure required; it's easy to hit 1 while trying to shift to 2), but this is a minor complaint. Still, a more crisp-feeling shifter would be nice.
 
I don't like the location of the rear window wiper control, but on a vehicle of this size, the rear window shouldn't matter much; the side mirrors are fine 99.5% of the time.
 
The steering feels too loose for me, I like more feedback. Still, understeer is preferable.
 
I'm a small guy (5'6"), and the seat feels too large for me unless I slump. The lumbar support is a compromise for me, I can never find the exact right setting for me. Still, I feel this is more of an issue regarding my size than anything else; the seats are quite comfortable for the duration of my 6/7 hour drives. The pivoting headrest is a very nice feature. The cloth on the seats is very nice, grabby without being rough.
 
The boot covering the parking brake lever came loose from the floor with a slight tug. Somewhat annoying, and I'm currently arguing with my dealer about how it should be attached.
 
The air conditioning/climate controls are wonderful; the AC cools down within a minute of starting the vehicle, and the air pressure on the center vents is wonderful (I like a brisk, cold breeze in my face while driving). The outside vents are weaker than I'd like, but that's probably from the vents on the side of the console to defrost the window (which leech from the main vents). My family loves the rear controls and dual zone system.
 
the extravagant number of power points is a nice touch.
 
The vehicle is quiet enough at highway speeds to sleep in. I've had nary an odd noise (beyond the wheel weights being bumped at full turns, as mentioned previously), and the ride is as smooth as one could wish for in a ladder frame truck.
 
The window tinting on the front side windows could be darker.
 
The storage compartment under the main rear area is very nice; perfect for storing cleaning supplies.
 
The rear center seat is hellishly uncomfortable for a reasonably-sized adult to ride in for ANY length of time. Alot of that problem could be solved by moving the seatbelt anchor to the right, but with the split seat arrangement, that's not possible.
 
The stereo system is a major peeve of mine. It's too goddamned bassy; I have to turn the bass almost all the way down to get any appreciable sound quality. It's obviously marketed to the, um, 'hip hop' crowd that values a back massage over decent reproduction of sound. The speakers are coming out ASAP. Are there any other speakers in this vehicle besides the door speakers? (I have the base sound system, btw)
 
Beyond the exterior trim, the fit and finish is the best I've seen for any GM vehicle I've ever owned. The interior is fantastically done, IMHO. The carpetting feels good on bare feet (a first for any vehicle I've owned).
 
Are dual trip odometers too much to ask for? Even the Nissan XTerra I test drove had them.
 
On the whole, I would go through the pain-in-the-ass buying process all over again in an instant. GM has scored a knockout blow in this vehicle, IMHO. I hope to drive this vehicle until the wheels fall off, and I'll enjoy every mile of it.
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hambone by drew_
Aug 03, 2001 (8:51 pm)
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All car 4 and 5 cylinder engines are inline designs. There's nothing new about this technology. Inline designs are not necessarily more reliable either.
 

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Air Conditioning Problem by babrams
Aug 03, 2001 (11:40 pm)
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I have experienced the same problem with my 2002 Envoy. Just make sure you press the button to turn on the Air Circulation within the vehicle. It is the button to the left of the AC OFF button. You will get cooler air and a constant air flow. The button is not on by default, you have to press it each time you start your vehicle. By default, you get air from outside, which the flow increases as your speed increases.
 
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For jgdobak, RE: Window tinting by bryancos
Aug 04, 2001 (9:41 am)
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"The window tinting on the front side windows could be darker."
 
This is easily remedied by going to a local tint shop and asking them to tint the front driver and passenger windows to match... A local shop charged me $60, which seemed a bit much when the whole car would have been $150.. but the end result looks very nice. I've also noticed that the factory tinting is not as dark as it was on my Jeep Grand Cherokee and also there's very little heat rejection afforded by the factory stuff-- therefore I plan to return to the tint shop to have them install a lighter shade of tint over the rear factory glass to make it a little darker and add the UV/Heat rejection that the tinted films provide.
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For Hardhawk, RE: GM Rubber Floormats by bryancos
Aug 04, 2001 (9:45 am)
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Tell your dealer's parts dept to take a hike, and check out: mats4less:

FOR ENVOY:
http://www.mats4less.com/envoy.html

FOR TRAILBLAZER:
http://www.mats4less.com/trailblazer.html
 
FOR BRAVADA:
http://www.mats4less.com/bravada.html

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One Year Free Onstar??????????? by richardc4
Aug 04, 2001 (2:26 pm)
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Like many I bought my Envoy in late March and it sat the entire month of April locked in a dealer's lot waiting for parts. When I bought the car perhaps I missed something, so someone might be able to enlighten me. I was led to believe that I had one full year of OnStar free of charge. I've tried to use it several times and a message always comes back saying "Invalid tag." I've also tried to "dial" the number with the same results. I called OnStar and was told that if I didn't use it the first month it was gone. Since my vehicle had been recalled and I couldn't even touch it for the first month let alone use it I find this a bit confusing. To me, free for a year means free for a year. Any suggestions?
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Air Conditioning and Rattling doors. by flyguy5
Aug 04, 2001 (5:35 pm)
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I've got a TB with Manual air. Temps out here are in the 90 and if I am stopped at a light (engine not revving) the coldness of the air deminishes considerably. The power of the flow is there but the temp must come up by at least 10-15 degrees. I am going to have them look at it next time it goes in. I also have the problem of the front doors rattling on washboard roads as was mentioned in the MT article. Guess they all have it, but this only happens when you really push it hard on dirt roads so I can probably live with it.
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re: steve_HOST by hambone7
Aug 04, 2001 (5:43 pm)
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I don't think I implied that 4 and 5 cylinder engines are ever anything but inline in a car. 4 cylinder motorcycle engines can have a V configuration. A 5 cylinder V configuration makes no sense at all. So...I don't know why you threw that comment ("all car 4 and 5 cylinder engines are inline design") out there...
 
GM has employed some technological advances with this brand new engine (note: this inline 6 engine is new, not the technology of an inline 6). Inline motors should be more reliable but that's not the rule. For example, there is one head and head gasket on an inline motor but two on a V shaped motor (more parts to fail)...that's one example of why an inline 6 inherently is more reliable (but it doesn't always work out that way).

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