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Bra for 2002 Envoy by babrams
Jul 26, 2001 (4:14 am)
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Anybody know if a Bra (Front End Cover) is available for the Envoy. I sure would like to have one.
 
Thanks....
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Running board alert by jw4gm
Jul 26, 2001 (4:19 am)
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Alert for 2002 Envoy owners....do not order running board 12497885 from gmpartsdirect.com. They don't fit. The bolt holes line up, but the rocker panel contour approaching both front and rear wheel openings do not match up. According to other posts at this site, the boards work well on a TB, so if any TB owners in the Memphis area are in the market for factory running boards, we need to correspond.
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FATlittle by dindak
Jul 26, 2001 (4:21 am)
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Why for you post everywhere not to buy GM?
 
Are you disgruntled ex-employee?
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RE: FAT(head)little(BRAIN) by childs57
Jul 26, 2001 (5:09 am)
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For your information, some of us actually looked at other SUVs before deciding to purchase one of the "triplets".
 
Toyota- The Sequoia was very nice, and very expensive. Starting at $40,000 and up, with little or no discount off MSRP, it was way out of my budget. The Highlander, the cheap version of the Lexus RX-300, is a joke. While the RX-300 is plush, the Highlander's interior is pedestrian. Sitting on the backseat was like sitting on fabric-covered cardboard. No Sale!!
 
Lexus-Loved the RX-300, hated the price tag. Like the Sequoia, MSRP started at $38,000 and went up from there, with little discount off of sticker. Seriously considered buying a RX-300, but it was out of my price range.
 
Honda-Has no SUV, FAThead. Used to have the Passport, which was a rebadged Isusu Rodeo (which, by the way, is majority owned by GM; humm...)
 
Acura-Again, the MDX was very nice, and way out of my price range. Does anybody see a pattern here with expensive Japanese SUVs?
 
MB-All I can say about the interior of the M-320 is cheesy. Probably could have afforded this one, but it did not impress my wife and me in the least.
 
BMW-Again, a nice SUV that was WAY out of my price range. Over $40K for a six-cylinder, $50K for a V8.
 
Mitsubishi-The Montero FAILED Consumer Reports roll-over test. Not that I put much stock into anything CR says, but the best thing Mitsubishi ever built was the Zero (and that was continually bested by American-made products).
 
Explorer-Only one thing wrong with this truck-that blue oval on the front with the letters
F-O-R-D. For those that don't know, FORD is actually the Klingon word for crap. Would you trust a car company that refuses to admit that their poorly engineered SUV has killed almost 200 people. Sure, those Firestone tires blew out, but Explorers were not the only vehicles they were installed on. When they blew out on other vehicles, you just pull over to the side of the road and change a flat. When they blow out on an Explorer, it causes the truck to rollover and you die. But, according to FORD, it is all Firestone's fault. WRONG!! There is no way in Hell I would even consider buying a new Explorer from this low-life company.
 
So, FAThead, we come back to GM. When we ordered our new Bravada, I got it for $200 under invoice, plus another $1500 off for my Olds loyalty rebate (we have a 1998 Intigue). I could not touch one of those over-priced foreign SUVs for the price of the Bravada. And, as a bonus, I got a 5 year/60,000 bumper-to-bumper warranty. So, if I have any problems with it "down the road", I'm covered, and I'm not worried about it.
 
BTW, I just purchased a 2001 Chevy Silverado LS extended cab pickup (my fifth Chevy truck; four extended cabs and a Suburban). I seriously considered a Toyota Tundra access cab, but there was no contest as far as bang-for-the-buck. I liked the way the Tundra looked and drove, but the Chevy cost much less. My Chevy stickered for just over $29,000, and it is loaded except for leather seats. A comparably equipped Toyota Tundra Limited stickered for $31,000-$32,000, and I guarantee you won't find a Toyota dealer who will give you $5000 off sticker on a truck like my Chevy dealer did. However, the clincher was the rear seat area of the Tundra was much smaller than the Chevy, and I have to have a rear seat occasionally for my kids.
 
So, in conclusion, FAThead, a lot of people love our GM vehicles. I have had nothing but good luck with 4 trucks, 1 Suburban, 1 Buick Regal, and 1 Olds Intrigue. Sure, some of them have been back to the dealer for minor warranty items, but never anything major. And I am confident that the new Bravada will give me no problems either. if it does, it will be covered under warranty for a long time, so I'm not worried. Now, please go crawl back in your hole.
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FATlittle by jbossert
Jul 26, 2001 (5:36 am)
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He jealous. Probably bought 2002 Explorer. Not nice person. Ignore him. Maybe he go away.
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FAthead by r22549
Jul 26, 2001 (7:13 am)
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Ok, I just had to chime in here with my 2 cents. The Ml's proably have the worst reliabity stat's of almost all SUV's. Just read there thread. The BMW's are not that much better from what I read. Keep in mind one is paying quite abit more for these trucks, to boot...As pointed out by a prior poster mitsubishi has some real problems to deal with. Acura is nice, but waiting forever for it w/o much if anything off the sticker is not my idea of a good deal. The RX is indeed a nice CAR. Kinda takes forever to turn, large turning radius. Also a small trunk. Now don't get me wrong, if somebody offered me a choice for a free bravada or rx, I'd take the rx...Cause I do like there VSD & AWD set up...
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by steve_ HOST
Jul 26, 2001 (7:17 am)
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Nice try, netsolstice, but folks took the bait and fed him anyway....

Steve
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RE: Steve by childs57
Jul 26, 2001 (8:24 am)
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I took into account that we were probably being baited into starting a fight, but I am getting tired of reading posts on other threads that continually say that people who buy GM are idiots and all GM products are crap...this is simply not the case.
 
I'll be the first to admit that some things the General does peeves the heck out of me, but most of these have to do with stupid management decisions because GM's heirarchy is overrun with stodgy old geezeers. Sometimes I think GM's top management is living in 1901 and not 2001, and they are SLOW to react to current market conditions (that is why they are continuing to lose market share to Ford and Japan). Of course, GM did decide to be "progressive" and build the Pontiac Aztec ("quite possibly the ugliest vehicle on the planet"), but that is another thread.
 
I put in a lot of effort into shopping for my wife's new SUV, and the Bravada was the best vehicle for the money. She can't wait to get her hands on it. *Build Date: 7-30-01
 
As I posted previously, we loved the Lexus RX-300, but I could not see paying that much for a vehicle. I would rather pay $4000-$5000 less for a vehicle (MSRP) than have to pay for the dealer's big-screen TV, plush leather couch and chairs, cappucino bar, etc. You don't think that those Lexus extras are free, do you? No, you pay for them when you buy their vehicles.
 
If something goes wrong with the Bravada, I'm not planning on living at the dealership waiting for it to get fixed. I'll take the shuttle back home or get them to drive me to work, and if it has to stay overnight for service, we get something to drive.
 
Anyway, just a note to FAThead that we are not lemmings jumping off a cliff just because almighty General Motors has us brainwashed. Some of us vehicle buyers actually can think for ourselves, and when we do, buying GM makes good economical sense. The lemmings are the people buying Explorers just because everybody else has one!
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Jw4gm by sostrouble
Jul 26, 2001 (9:18 am)
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thanks for the alert on the running boards. I was getting ready to order them for my Envoy. Have you checked any prices for the Envoy running board. My dealer quoted to get all the parts needed it would be $1,600. If you find them somewhere else cheaper, let me know. Thanks

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