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#17692 of 18329 Chevy Trailblazer Internet Experience
Mar 24, 2006 (8:18 am)
If this is the wrong place to post, I hope someone will suggest a better place:
My wife and I started kicking around the idea of a third vehicle for a variety of reasons that are not relevant at this point.
When my wife's BMW X3 was in the body shop for a door ding that turned out to be two week days a weekend and one more week day, the body shop and insurance company provided her with a "free" rental. The rental was a vanilla 2006 4WD Chevy Trailblazer with what must be pretty much the lowest level of options you would ever expect to find on such a vehicle.
While it could not hide its truck underpinnings (apparently), the vehicle was pretty nice, more car-like than we would have ever imagined and, well, it WAS an American machine and we simply felt it would probably be a very good bargain.
The media is full of this that and the other deals currently -- so, I went to the www.chevrolet.com web site and configured a very highly equipped Trailblazer SS -- then the web site says "search local dealer inventories for something remotely close to your configured vehicle."
Other than color, there seemed to be several to choose from, so I went with the one that would be an OK color (Black with Ebony leather.)
Let me say, I had no expectations other than one of my co-workers and one of my neighbors recent experiences which led me to believe a 5% discount was not uncommon and that discounts and rebates and deals and and and meant 15% off MSRP for a current model year version are not rare.
The MSRP of this car was $$39,810 including shipping. The current "deal" is -$1,000 rebate.
In ROUND numbers as close to the real numbers as will make sense on this blog here is the response I got within 24 hours:
"We are pleased to inform you that the 2006 Black SS Trailblazer, VIN# XXXXXXXXXXX, is still available. Prior to Chevrolet's adjustment, it had a MSRP of $42,350.
Your special GM Certified Special Sale Price is $38,097.03, plus tax and fees."
The vehicle's window sticker is on the Internet and it is $39,810. So here is what has happened, I guess:
The price was raised $2,540, then discounted $4,253.
The car's window sticker was first marked up 6% then discounted off of that price 10%.
You know, if they would've come back with a $-1,000 rebate "take it or leave it" OFF of the $39,810, I think I would have felt LESS, somehow, like something smelled.
Now, however, this is a 10% discount but off of a car that has first been marked up 6%.
I guess the game is played this way -- I guess I now counter with what $36,023 (15% off) and see how it plays?
My wife and I are spoiled, or dazed and confused (both are likely) after dealing with Audi and BMW since 1977.
For some reason, this strikes me as having a reasonably high "crap quotient" with this Chevy dealer (not necessarily that it is THE dealer who is making it up as she goes along -- although that thought has crossed my mind.)
I don't even know if I want to do this now, but I am willing to listen to the replies from y'all.
#17694 of 18329 Re: Chevy Trailblazer Internet Experience [markcincinnati]
Mar 24, 2006 (1:03 pm)
Just incase you didn't know a Trailblazer SS is a performance vehicle and will drive nothing like the Trailblazer you rented. Firmer ride and much faster.
#17695 of 18329 Where to find used Envoy Denali???
Mar 24, 2006 (5:05 pm)
I am in Texas and have checked Ebay, found ONE. Checked Trader Online, within 300 miles of me, found ONE and it was '06 brand new. Any other car sites out there I can search?
#17696 of 18329 Re: Where to find used Envoy Denali??? [blink3]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Mar 24, 2006 (5:56 pm)
There's a "Find local cars for sale" link on the Edmunds.com main page that's affiliated with AutoTrader. Click on the Edmunds tab at the top right of this page for an easy shortcut. Good luck!
#17697 of 18329 Re: Chevy Trailblazer Internet Experience [markcincinnati]
Mar 24, 2006 (7:36 pm)
I too have felt jerked around by dealerships over the last 30 years. Then last year I went to a local Buick dealer to check out the Rainier. I liked it very much and found the dealer to be the best I've seen. Buick dealers seem to take pride in their owner-approval stats. I bought the Rainier and have no regrets. So go test drive a Rainier!
#17698 of 18329 Re: Chevy Trailblazer Internet Experience [markcincinnati]
Mar 25, 2006 (7:05 am)
You'll have to pardon GM, as they continue to try to adjust their pricing to reduce the amount of incentives, and get their pricing closer to "real-world" levels. It is GM and not the dealer that is fooling around with the prices. The sticker readjustment is something GM did, not the dealer.
Now, there is a way to eliminate all of the "what's my price" stuff going on... that is, to get "GM in the Driveway" pricing. This is not the same as the employee price; it's the employee price + 4.5% (which is the same deal that suppliers get). This is a fixed price, not negotiable - the only caveat is that the dealership does NOT need to honor GMID - that's at their discretion (i.e. scarce or hot-selling car, they may not). My experience is that most dealers will do a GMID deal, particularly towards the end of the month.
How do you get GMID pricing? You find a GM employee or retiree, who can issue two of these GMID certificates in a month. The only info the employee needs is the buyer's DOB and the last 4 digits of their SSN. The employee then enters that information into the GMFamilyFirst website, and it spits back a certificate number which the employee emails to the buyer. The buyer then takes that number in, tells the dealer they have this GMID certificate, and it's processed when the deal goes down.
My mother-in-law is a GM retiree. I looked at the GMID pricing (available through the GMFamilyFirst website) and a TB SS with an MSRP of $39,435 has a GMID price of $36,353. Factor in the $1k rebate and now you're down to just over $35k. If you still have a non-GM vehicle I believe there is a $1k conquest rebate which brings the price down even further (though rebates are region-sensitive). If you had a GM card you could take even more off... welcome to the fun! More questions on GMID - contact me at the address in my Edmunds user profile.
And hey, the Trailblazer SS is one heck of a machine! It's got the LS2 engine, same as the 'vette, GTO, SSR, and '06 CTS-V, pushing out 395 hp. Friend of mine has SS #1 and does performance tuning on them... loves the truck (haven't seen it yet). It's not just a run-of-the-mill SUV. Interior design/quality is still the weak point on these vehicles... but, they've been around otherwise since 2002, and the reliability is getting better... no major refreshes coming except maybe the interior for the 2008 MY...
#17699 of 18329 Re: 02 Envoy -- Loose Feel [02envoyowner]
Mar 25, 2006 (7:43 am)
I have a 2004 Rainier(same as envoy) that just had the stabilizer links replaced. Huge difference in handling.
I also have the clunk/surge/normal behavior issue. The dealer states that the computer is going through various checks, which causes the bump. The bump only occurs after starting the car, and getting to the first full stop. The stop time has to be long enough for the computer to do its full check, or it won't occur until the next lengthy stop. After it occurs, it will not happen again until the car is restarted and comes to the next full stop. It actually makes some sense regarding the system check.
#17700 of 18329 Re: 02 Envoy -- Loose Feel [lend1]
Mar 26, 2006 (4:33 pm)
I also have a 2004 Buick Rainier and mine does not bump as you say. I doubt that that behavior is normal. I have 27000 miles on mine and it has never bumped. Maybe you should check with other Rainier drivers to see if there's is doing the same. Just to let you know.
#17701 of 18329 Re: 2003 Bravada struts [nuyorkah]
Mar 27, 2006 (3:01 am)
I wonder why they would use a totally different suspension format in the Bravada than the Trailblazer. My '02 TB EXT definitely has MacPherson struts in the front.