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Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Buick Rainier, GMC Envoy XL, Isuzu Ascender, Oldsmobile Bravada, SUV
#17166 of 18329 numbers game?
Aug 17, 2005 (10:43 am)
Look at sales numbers for July 2005.
Mitsubishi sold 1,600 Endevors
Honda sold over 14,000 Pilots
Chevy sold 29,000 Trailblazers
GMC sold 15,000 Envoys
Both Envoy and TBs are seeling very close to last years numbers. (about 150,000 TB's in 6 months).
First it seems gas prices don't scare us too much. Tahoe, Yukon, and Yukon XL sales are about the same as last year. Suburban sales are down slightly.
Second, if the quality is that bad how can you sell that many of them? There are roughy more Envoys sold in a month and Mitsu. Endevors in a whole year.
#17167 of 18329 Re: I had an 02 Trailblazer LS for 11000 miles. It was bought back by GM [f
Aug 17, 2005 (11:14 am)
I had some dummy lights come on and they couldn't figure out why. I drove the car to the dealer while the lights were on and the diagnostic computer reported no errors. They shut the car off and restarted it and miraculously the lights stayed on (they usually went off after a restart... Its amazing they stayed for the service dept).. again, no errors. They attempted a few things and finally bought the car back. The light that came on were the ABS, service 4x4, and brake light. The lights were on but ABS, ebrake, and 4x4 worked just fine. It was a gremlin somewhere.
Aug 17, 2005 (11:23 am)
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#17169 of 18329 Re: headlight changeout [burdawg]
Aug 17, 2005 (11:40 am)
Hmm if you are talking about replacing the bulbs there is no need to remove the center bar. The bulbs are easy to replace by reaching behind the head light assembly and prying off the ruber covers behing each bulb, twist the socket and replace the bulb. If you are replacing the whole assembly then yes you would have to remove the center bar.
Aug 17, 2005 (12:21 pm)
Guys, if not the GMC, what non-minivan car would you suggest to compete with teh Honda Pilot? Does anyone have MPG information and prices? Along with room in the interrior. I sat in a Pilot and although it is repulsive it was very wide and seemed roomy. Are there GM or Ford products that compete with this combination?
#17171 of 18329 Second, if the quality is that bad how can you sell that many of them?[Jay_
Aug 17, 2005 (1:25 pm)
Simple, give everyone an employee discount and make a lot less profit. Let's see what the sales figures are like next year when no-one is willing to give up a relatively new car with a very low trade in value.
As far as the numbers game goes, GM has a much larger dealer network to sell the tripletts. I live near a Mitsubishi dealership. I see Endeavors everywhere . People like how they look and perform. I know I can't tow as much as a TB, but it is not an issue. Ownership experience is the most important measurement with a car.
Someone recently stated that only complainers post here. If the same is true for Endeavors and Pilots and others, then we should see a proportionate number of posts on the other boards.
As long as we're "doing the numbers"
As of this writing, Endeavor (problems and solutions) has 134 posts. Tripletts have 17,169. If Chevy TB sales are about 60% of triplett sales, 10,200 posts are about TB's. Throw out MY many posts, both positive and negative. That's a nearly 90 to 1 ratio of complaints TB's to Endeavors.
Like you said, numbers don't lie.
#17172 of 18329 Re: Transmission WARNING!! (4x4 only) [malibu99]
Aug 17, 2005 (1:31 pm)
Yes, it is probably your problem. I had mine serviced a few months ago as well and mine was a two pints overfilled. I noticed it was shifting differently, especially from a stop, it "sluggish". I took mine back to the tranny shop, they confirmed it was overfilled, and they extracted a 2 pints with a pump with no problem. No harm, and the vehicle drives great again. Measuring transmission fluid can be tricky, so I would take it back and ask them to confirm they are okay with the fluid. Do not be accusational to them because they will get defensive. I would say first thing early morning would be the best time before their day gets crazy. Good luck,
#17173 of 18329 Re: Thank you for the replies, [exalteddragon1]
Aug 17, 2005 (1:34 pm)
I would check out the new Ford Freestyle that is a crossover built on the Volvo chassis shared with the Ford 500. It is very roomy and has bunches of utility. Engine is not overly powerful, though. If you will do any heavier hauling or towing, I'd wait for a new 2006 Envoy that will have displacement on demand which should improve the V-8 mileage over a similar 2005 model. The new Chevy HHR is rather bold, yet very practical. I personally really like the look of the Chevy Equinox and Pontiac is coming out with its version this fall. We replaced our Chrysler minivan with a new Dodge Magnum RT with the Hemi V8. It is a rocket yet also serves us well as a family hauler too. The Magnum also comes in a V6 that gets upper 20's on the highway, which beats the 24 I get in the V8 Magnum. We keep the Envoy for towing and foul weather, which is easy because me really like it. There are so many neat vehicles out there these days when compared to 5 or 10 years ago. I must admit that I would never have believed that I would actually want to own a Dodge station wagon, but when it has the utility, looks and performance it has, I have to say I love it as much as the Envoy. It's a great time to be alive and a car fan.
#17174 of 18329 Re: headlight changeout [malibu99]
Aug 17, 2005 (2:07 pm)
I tried that.The right side (intake air box) had barely enough clearance to get my hand in and I was concerned I would damage the wiring or socket trying to get it off. It only takes a few seconds to take the grille bar off, so I thought it was a safer method. Left side should be easy though.
#17175 of 18329 Feeding the troll (sorry)
Aug 17, 2005 (2:47 pm)
The Endeavor is a nice looking vehicle, and it drives truly wonderfully. It doesn't have the truck capabilities of the triplets (really quintuplits now), nor many of the available features and accessories- although Mits did a real nice job with this one. It would be on my consideration list, if it weren't for the really truly ugly center console and lack of available Nav. (I admit- there's no accounting for taste and I hope others enjoy the look)
The fact that the TB has been around twice as long as the Endeavor may have somethign to do with the complaint number difference. The fact that ficuss is on this list may also have something else to do with the numbers, as so many responses here are counterpointing his posts. There may also be a sociographic difference between TB buyers and Endeavor buyers. One may be much more likely to participate in web forums on their automobiles. There would be a strong social correlation between how enthusiastic they are with their purchase and their interest in participating in on-line forums. If the typical purchaser of an Endeavor sees their vehicle as more utilitarian rather than have a passion for it, they would be less likely to participate here- for instance. The more complex a vehicle, the more likely there will be problems- this is almost a complete truism. A good example of this would be the Touareg. A fiercly complex (and magnificent) vehicle with mediocre reliability. But most of the things that go wrong with it, other cars don't even have! (If it only had the TB's 4.2L V6).