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#17134 of 18329 2002 TB cuts power while driving, now won't start
Aug 12, 2005 (11:24 pm)
I have read a ton of these posts and found some very helpful information, although i'm not sure how to apply it since everyone has a different remedy, PLEASE help! Bought a 2002 Chevy Trailblazer LTZ about 8 months ago, they put it through mandatory manufacturer check points system and said it was good to go. Had it in the shop 3 times in the first 3 months, first time dead battery, second and third time for suspicious clanking under carriage. Fixed that. Warranty is run out now, please keep in mind! I was driving just the other day, with my 3 children on a fairly busy main road and the entire engine just cut out. The only reason I knew was because my steering locked, all lights and radio and dash were still working. Brakes were fine as well. I slowed down (no close traffic thankfully) looked at the dash which said "check break systems", put it in park, turned off and turned back on. It started, so I put it back in gear and began driving again and literally 30 seconds later it cut out again, same locked steering, same dash readout. I coasted to the traffic light, put it in park, turned it off turned it on and drove to a friends house nearby. Parked it for about an hour then went to leave and it wouldn't start. Still won't start 2 days later. Lights come on, dash comes on but door does not "ding". Will not even try to roll-over, makes not a single click or noise. Has anyone else had this problem????? Dealer says there are no "open recalls" on my vehicle, they can look at it but any maintenance to this mysterious problem could likely take days and raise over the cost of the darn thing all together! I have read the "no-start" posts, but this is a little different because i haven't found where anyone elses TB has just cut power in the middle of driving! Don't trust it now even if I could get it started without knowing what the problem is!!! Personally I don't think a vehicle should have any kind of parts in it that can fail right in the middle of driving, let alone that such a seriously dangerous problem hasn't already been addressed and is nearly impossible to figure out. And it's NEW, it shouldn't be doing this, how infuriating!! Please Help!!
#17135 of 18329 Re: 2002 TB cuts power while driving, now won't start [cannastta]
Aug 13, 2005 (7:10 am)
Just a couple of guesses here, as this should be looked at by the dealer's service department. Since you are out of warranty, you probably will have to pay, unless you can get some help from GM customer service.
Could be bad ignition switch or bad engine computer. There are a ton of electronics in the TrailBlazer, and that is why a dealer needs to look at it.
Did the service engine soon light come on at any time?
#17136 of 18329 Re: 2002 TB cuts power while driving, now won't start [01_hoe]
Aug 13, 2005 (8:32 am)
No warning lights of any type other than the dash readout "check brake systems". Would an ignition switch cause the power to cut while you're driving? Not stopped, not accelerating or going up and down hills. Just driving at about 40 MPH and suddenly the engine is dead and steering is locked but everything else is still on and working.....
Aug 13, 2005 (11:35 am)
The rear door exterior handles on my 2003 Envoy XL sometimes won't open the doors. My dealer tells me this is common and there is no fix. They tell me to pull up on the end of the handle instead of the middle. This does improve the performance but still I have to apply a lot of upward force to get the door to open. Has anyone else experienced this?
#17138 of 18329 Average fuel economy
Aug 13, 2005 (11:48 am)
I have over 80,000 miles on my 2003 Envoy XL. I have never reset the average fuel economy meter. After a weekend of around town city driving the average will drop to around 17. After a 100 mile highway trip the average will go up to 21 or higher. You would think the average would not fluctuate so much with such a base of miles if it is averaging from day one. I don't think this is the case because a limited amount of miles has such an effect on the overall average. According to the manual, if you don't reset the meter, the average is calculated from the last time it was reset. Does anyone know how the average MPG meter really works? Is it just averaging from the recent past; like the last X amount of miles?
#17139 of 18329 Re: 2002 TB cuts power while driving, now won't start [cannastta]
Aug 13, 2005 (12:51 pm)
Personally I don't think a vehicle should have any kind of parts in it that can fail right in the middle of driving, let alone that such a seriously dangerous problem hasn't already been addressed and is nearly impossible to figure out. And it's NEW, it shouldn't be doing this, how infuriating!! Please Help!!
I have to chuckle at your statement. I too agree but thats impossible. Tires, axles, engines, drive shafts, almost every moving part on a vehicle can fail at any time leaving you SOL. Look around, there are a lot of small garages that have good mechanics who will fix your TB now that it is out of warranty for a whole lot less then the dealer. Even the dealer should be able to hook it up to a computer if needed and tell you what is wrong with a basic 1 hour labor charge I would think.
#17140 of 18329 Re: 2002 TB cuts power while driving, now won't start [dmathews3]
Aug 13, 2005 (11:37 pm)
I understand vehicle parts fail, have had plenty of them do so. The statement was directed more toward the fact that I just purchased this vehicle recently and it was given an "all clear", there were no warnings or reasons to believe it might happen and it's such a dangerous problem. Unexpected events occur, I understand. Just wasn't expecting to have to address such an event this soon on a newer vehicle and I'm obviously not the only person this has taken by surprise. You used to usually be able to tell if a moving part on your vehicle "was going", but with all the electrical controls now it's become a complicated mess, is it even a moving part that has malfunctioned? Many others have had the "no start" effect on this year and model so I was only asking if anyone else has had the "cut out" effect as well with theirs. And if I could figure out how to get it started that might improve my chances of getting it to a garage to be looked at. Not eager to pay the towing charges in our neck of the woods if I don't have to. No help so far .... glad you got a chuckle though.
#17141 of 18329 Re: 2002 TB cuts power while driving, now won't start [cannastta]
Aug 14, 2005 (7:02 am)
Happened across this info on another web site:
"ABS light on, DTCs set. Some 1999-2004 midsize and full-size GM pickups and SUVs (full list below) may illuminate the ABS light and store DTC C0201 or C0265 in the ABS computer. In addition, code U1041 may set in other modules or you may encounter lost communication between your scanner and the ABS module.
According to GM, all of these problems are probably due to a bad connection at ABS ground GlK), which you'll find on the frame rail just underneath the driver's-side door.
Trucks that can be affected by the problem are:
2002-2004 TrailBlazer & TrailBlazer EXT models; GMC Envoys, Envoy XLs, Olds Bravadas, Buick Rainiers and GMC Envoy XUVs."
I know this doesn't fit all your symptoms, but point is, it could be one bad electrical connector or ground causing all your problems. Or an intermittent ignition switch. Those have been known to cause no start and other intermittent electrical problems.
Did the dealer pull up all the previous service history on the Trailblazer you bought? You did say "new" but it is a 2002, so it could have plenty of repair history. They have easy access to all repairs done to it since day one when it was brand new. Was the previous owner having the same issues before they traded it in? Could it be you bought someone elses "lemon" they got rid of?
#17142 of 18329 Re: 2002 TB cuts power while driving, now won't start [tblazed]
Aug 14, 2005 (3:44 pm)
That could be worth a try, thank you. The truck was a dealer leased vehicle and they specifically pointed that out, implying it was in better and more "well-kept" condition than a "previously owned". They did pull up a recall on my VIN and they said their was nothing although I have found a recall for exactly my year and my model that has to do with the fuel pump filter CONNECTOR, not the pump or the filter. It listed the same "happenimgs". They dealership said their were no "open" recalls on my vehicle, so now I am curious how that works? There was a recall May 2003 for this connecter part for my vehicle but they refuse to see it as a recall because they say there are none open for mine???? If this is the problem and there WAS a recall, why are they saying they won't service it now?
#17143 of 18329 A/C and fan clutch TSB - where to locate?
Aug 15, 2005 (5:05 am)
Hey all you fan clutch folks, my 2002 also has the slow to cool problem. I'm a paying member of AlldataDIY, but they don't have this TSB listed: 04-01-38-019A.
Maybe the improved cooling will help with my towing issues as well as the slow AC.
For those of you that have seen the TSB for the new design fan clutch, where did you get ahold of the TSB? I'd like to print it out before I approach the dealer.