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#16827 of 18277 Re: launch news [steve_] by tblazed Jun 15, 2005 (6:00 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Jun 15, 2005 1:31 am) The 2008 TrailBlazer and Envoy ...are a bit larger with room for an optional third row of seats"   Not a good thing IMO ...Any bigger and I would not have bought the 2002 I have. Already plenty large enough for a mid-size SUV.   A new five-speed automatic transmission is offered.   What the 2002s should have had from the get-go.   The Chevrolet SSR, the retro-looking truck-sports car that has sold poorly, has no replacement scheduled. The Buick Rainier, Saab 9-7X and Isuzu Ascender SUVs will be phased out    I can't help but wonder... What was GM's thinking in the first place? Rather than putting the 5.3 V8 in all 360s across the board from 2002 on, they waste time and million$ with these rebadged, gussied up attempts. arrrgggg...    And the SSR was kinda neat as a show concept truck, noticed it attracted lots of attention at the TX State Fair in 2002, but apparently few people really wanted to own an SSR. Another mis-cue in marketing.
#16828 of 18277 30,000 Mile Service -- Two Questions by pepper50 Jun 15, 2005 (12:59 pm)
I am due for 30,000 mile service on 2002 Envoy, and have 2 questions. The dealer has a package deal for $379 that includes everything from tire rotation/balancing, to mutliple inspections, new air/fuel filter, brake inspection, etc.. I feel like I need to get most of this service done in case there are any warranty problems now or that develop on my extended warranty in the future. Two things that are listed and included in the price I wondered about however:   1) fuel injector service -- They disconnect the fuel pump and run some hi-powered cleaner I suspose thru the injectors and decarbon the intake, throttle body, etc.) Is this necessary? Is it even recommended? Can it cause any harm?   2) Inspect and lube drive shaft and CV joints. -- They told me they "drop" the drive shaft and lubricate it. I get paranoid anytime they start "dropping" things and reassembling. Does that sound like a normal thing to do on all Envoys at 30,000 miles?   Thanks for info. Replies to this message: n7don (Jun 15, 2005 4:17 pm) steve_ (Jun 15, 2005 4:21 pm)
#16829 of 18277 Re: 30,000 Mile Service -- Two Questions [pepper50] by n7don Jun 15, 2005 (4:17 pm)
Replying to: pepper50 (Jun 15, 2005 12:59 pm) I don't believe item 1 or 2 are listed as normal service items in your owner's manual. I'd suggest checking your manual to verify. Item 2 in particular is interesting since the drive line has no zerk fittings. There's been some past discussion on brake performance and dealers giving the owner a hard time because their brakes had not been "inspected" for problems. I can't see item 1 will do harm but if you've been running a good grade of fuel as recommended by GM (see TopTierGas ) not sure it would be necessary. Replies to this message: steve_ (Jun 15, 2005 4:21 pm)
#16830 of 18277 Re: 30,000 Mile Service -- Two Questions [n7don] by steve_ HOST Jun 15, 2005 (4:21 pm)
Replying to: n7don (Jun 15, 2005 4:17 pm) Check out the Edmunds Maintenance Guide too.   Steve, Host
#16831 of 18277 Re: Jerking Wipers [cgrant] by goodstar Jun 15, 2005 (5:32 pm)
Replying to: cgrant (Jun 14, 2005 3:58 pm) cgrant, my 2002 TB was recalled for the wiper problem. If I remember correctly the recall was to check for a possible electrical short with water entering the motor area or wiring connection area. The wipers on mine have almost always jerked when on the intermittent setting with little water on the windshield. I thought it was the wiper blades but when I changed them it did not solve the problem. I never asked the dealer about it and warranty has expired. Sure would be interested to hear what others have done for this problem. Replies to this message: gmfan (Jun 16, 2005 4:52 am) tblazed (Jun 16, 2005 12:34 pm)
#16832 of 18277 Re: Jerking Wipers [goodstar] by gmfan Jun 16, 2005 (4:52 am)
Replying to: goodstar (Jun 15, 2005 5:32 pm) My wipers on my 02 TB are very loud and even after the wiper recall. I change the blades every 3 months thinking the rubber is bad, and they will continue to "screech" even when plenty of water is beading on the windsheild. What do mean by the wipers "jerked"? My wipers (it must the the motor) are so loud, it is embarrasing at times and I find myself avoiding even wanting to turn them on.   I wonder if we could spray some contact cleaner and/or lubricate on the motor that will not mess with electronics? I also wonder if the wiper arms can be adjusted? I bet Tblazed would know!!   -gmfan Replies to this message: tblazed (Jun 16, 2005 12:34 pm)
#16833 of 18277 Re: Transmission Question [n7don] by gmfan Jun 16, 2005 (4:59 am)
Replying to: n7don (Jun 14, 2005 2:03 pm) It turns out my fluid was overfilled a two pints, and I had Mr. Transmission extract the fluid with a pump for no charge. No harm was done since I drove it only for a few days when it was overfilled. It is shifting better and is launching better than before - It was probably drowning and too much fluid was probably the cause. I thought about having them install a drain plug, but I did not get around to asking them. Did you buy a drain plug adapter and how much did it cost you? I normally service my own cars, but I HATE dropping the pan on any vehicle. The Saturns have a drain plug and a transmission filter that looks like an oil filter on the outside, and servicing is a snap! I don't understand why Chevy does not copy? Replies to this message: n7don (Jun 16, 2005 4:22 pm)
#16834 of 18277 Re: Jerking Wipers [gmfan] by tblazed Jun 16, 2005 (12:34 pm)
Replying to: gmfan (Jun 16, 2005 4:52 am) I wonder if we could spray some contact cleaner and/or lubricate on the motor that will not mess with electronics? I also wonder if the wiper arms can be adjusted? I bet Tblazed would know!!   I obtained a used one some time back before the recall, and took it apart.     It could be disassembled and the rotary arm position switch contacts cleaned and refurbished (which I suspect is what needs to be done if no water collected down in the bottom and damaged the circuit board) but is a messy job since the housing is sealed with a sticky tar-like sealant. Plus getting the wiper motor ass'y out of the vehicle to work on it requires removing the wiper arm plastic nut covers and nuts, pulling the wiper arms off and removing the air inlet grill. Depending how stuck the arms are are on the tapered splined shafts, may have to use a battery terminal puller to pop them loose. I doubt spraying contact cleaner in it would fix it, or that enough cleaner would would get to the parts that need it.   Wiper arms can be adjusted - loosened, moved a little, and retightened to align the position. To do that you would have to pull off the plastic nut covers, loosen or remove the nuts, and loosen the wiper arms from the shafts like described above.
#16835 of 18277 Re: Transmission Question [gmfan] by n7don Jun 16, 2005 (4:22 pm)
Replying to: gmfan (Jun 16, 2005 4:59 am) I have a small Lincoln wire welder. What I've found works best (for me) is to tack-weld a 1/2" nut on a couple of the flats inside the pan. I drill a 1/8" hole as close to the bottom of the nut as possible before welding it to the inside of the pan. That way oil will drain to near the very bottom. I use a copper washer for the seal. I took a few photos of the plug. If I can find them I'll post a link. Drain plugs are available at most parts stores for $5-$6 but I've had problems with them coming loose. Sounds like you're back in business.... and yes, no matter where you put the drain pan oil will go some place else!!
#16836 of 18277 fuel injector service RIPOFF - use REDLINE by 2k_impala_ls Jun 16, 2005 (7:55 pm)
Buy some redline SI-1 fuel injection cleaner. It is better than any dealer treatment and cleans the entire system, not just the injectors. 100% synthetic and does not break down during combustion like stp, gumout, techtron, etc. It is available at advance auto for about $5.99. I put a little in about once a month. read more http://www.redlineoil.com/products_fueladditives.asp http://www.redlineoil.com/whitePaper/15.pdf

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