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#13857 of 18329 Stalling
Jan 23, 2004 (9:51 am)
Help! A friend at work has a stalling problem with her 2003 Trailblazer. I knew this was a problem with 2002's, but not with 2003's. Anyone else have this problem (my Envoy does not)? She has been to the dealer at least 8 times in an attempt to fix it. They did a cold start stalling
fix but this happens intermittently at other times. She is rightfully afraid to drive it and the dealer has been unable to duplicate. Chevy claims no knowledge of such a problem and has been very uncooperative. It should be eligible for the Lemon Law here in Wisconsin. Any comments
or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.
#13858 of 18329 RE: Stalling
Jan 23, 2004 (10:09 am)
I have an '03 and it stalled on me 2 times in about 6 months (during the summer), after having this update done it hasn't done it since. I could see it applying to your friend's trailblazer if they keep it in a heated (>70 degree F) garage or somehow the weather in Wisconsin is miraculously above 70...
TSB #03-06-04-057 10/01/2003
Intermittent Hesitation, Stumble or Idle Stall after Soak, Harsh 1-2 Shift, Slipping 1-2 Shift Followed by a Harsh Engagement (Reprogram PCM)
2002-2003 Chevrolet TrailBlazer
2002-2003 GMC Envoy
2002-2003 Oldsmobile Bravada
with 4.2L Engine (VIN S - RPO LL)
Some customers may comment on an intermittent hesitation/stumble or idle stall within minutes of starting after the vehicle has been sitting for several hours. Additionally, some customers with a 2003 model year vehicle may comment on a harsh 1-2 shift or 1-2 slip shift that has a bump feeling when 2nd gear engages.
This condition may be caused by the EVAP diagnostic test as it opens the purge valve for a few seconds and then closes it to verify proper emission sensor operation. If the purge canister is saturated, the EVAP system on-board diagnostic test may cause the vehicle to correct for a rich condition from the canister. The vehicle would then become lean when the purge valve closes at the completion of the test. This condition occurs primarily with high RVP fuel and after the vehicle sits for several hours in a warm ambient, above 21įC (70įF). A customer who takes short trips is more likely to experience this condition, as they don't have the drive cycle that would allow the purge canister to fully re-circulate the fuel vapor
Jan 23, 2004 (1:13 pm)
Picked up my 2004 Envoy SLT (MSRP $40,900) about a month ago. Dealer seemed to want to move vehicles.
Put on about 1K miles on it.
So far so good. I have had very good luck with GM vehicles in the past and being a supplier to GM did not hurt on the price.
Vehicle seems to have a good amount of zip.
Gas mileage only around 15MPG in town and cold weather so far. Hopefully that can improve a little bit.
There is Slight windshield visual disortion when I look out edge of passenger side. Not really a big deal.
I think the Bose System w/ 6 CD Changer was the best sounding factory system, I have looked at. It is really impressive when listening to CD's.
Looking forward to watching this Group for a while.
I am usually a Chevy person, but my local GMC Dealer gave me a better deal on the Envoy, than the Chevy dealers with the Trailblazers, and I liked the Envoy look a little better.
Jan 23, 2004 (1:19 pm)
Also should add, there is a slight rattle from the top of the drivers and passenger window when a hard bump is taken.
It appears that the top of the glass may tap slightly against the hard rubber molding.
Again, not really a big deal.
I am wondering if anyone has any comments.
Jan 23, 2004 (5:31 pm)
Welcome to the group. As you'll soon find out some of us like the triplets and some of us don't like the triplets-but we still own them because we can't afford to sell them.
Weather stripping is a recurrent theme that might be needing replacing. Might want to see if silicone treatment on the weather stripping helps or on close examination it might reveal something else.
My '02 Envoy XL SLT is running great, bought new but now has 34K on it. Had a couple of warranty fixes that have not recurred. Bought the extended warranty just in case.
#13862 of 18329 Greetings and thank you!
Jan 24, 2004 (11:13 am)
Greetings to everyone here on this board. I am the owner of an '03 TB LT and have been lurking here since late November to educate myself on problems & solutions related to this vehicle. First, I want to thank you for the information that led to my being a happy TB owner today.
Like many of you, I have had numerous warranty problems with my TB over the past 13 months, all of which are chronicled by others in the archives. I could fill up the page ranting about my problems and GMs initial responses, but since my ranting would not add new information to the board, I thought I would share with you some useful info that will add value to prior comments.
Most of my problems have been electrical in nature and I also had the 1500 RPM vibration/rumble described in various postings. The vibration problem was driving me nuts with no solution in sight until I read the following post from an earlier archived discussion group:
#22 of 34 my $0.02 worth... by leadfoot4 Mar 13, 2003 (10:45 am)
I have a 1997 S-10 4x4. I had a vibration in it when it was new. The dealer rebalanced the tires twice, said it was "OK". The owner,(me) said "No way". Because I have very little patience, and some mechanical aptitude, I removed the rear driveshaft, and took it to the local d'shaft shop for a balance check. They called me a couple of hours later, and said it was too badly warped to just balance out the vibration. When I went back to pick up the shaft, the shop foreman pointed to the sticker on the shaft, and said there's your problem. The sticker said "Made at Three Rivers Plant". He told me that they were getting in quite a few shafts from there that just weren't assembled "square". They made a new shaft for me, I installed it, and the truck was smooth as silk.
Took the original shaft back to the dealer, and after a few minutes of "discussion" and a ride around the block, they agreed that the shaft was indeed the problem and had GM reimburse me for the repair. They said that if they ordered another shaft through GM parts network, it would also be made at the three rivers plant, so it could be bad also. Just somthing for you guys to ponder....
I pursued the warped driveshaft idea and indeed it was my problem. However, it took two attempts at balancing by different shops to get it right. My drive shaft was also made at the Three Rivers plant and the tech who finally balanced it right said that T.R. plant has been producing badly balanced drive shafts for about 10 years. For those of you who need this done or are just interested, this is for the REAR drive shaft only, and the magic specs are less than .003 runout; and balance under .038 at both ends of the drive shaft. Cost to straighten & balance $45. and the dealer paid for it under warranty. Incidentally while I was contemplating a buyback I test drove a 2004 Pathfinder and it had the same problem -
Speaking of warranties, with all the problems I experienced I wanted some assurance from GM that my high-quality vehicle would not become a financial liability after the 36 month warranty ran out. Fortunately for me (fortunately?) all of my problems appeared within the window that qualified my new vehicle as a 'lemon' under my state's law. I had received the usual GM foot-dragging "it's a normal characteristic of the car" treatment. So, I took action and it got results. Here is how it unfolded:
1. I researched my rights under my state's lemon law and filed an official complaint to document my new car problems BEFORE I hit the end of the window. That got me on record and they were put on notice.
2. All along the way I felt they pressured me to settle for less (in a passive-agressive way). I knew what I wanted and I stuck to it. I wanted to know they would stand behind their engineering at least until my payments were finished (I had not purchased an Extended Service plan when the vehicle was new - silly me, I expect a $32K purchase should last more than 3 years).
3. I kept moving the legal process forward when the outcome was not acceptable. We were just about to go to arbitration when they finally offered me a Major Guard plan with $0 deductible and higher than average miles so I'm covered for major repairs for 2 more years after my standard warranty expires. The moral of this story is complain on record early and don't give up. Perhaps one day they'll realize quality is more than just marketing words on a glossy brochure. I knew there was a reason why I was a Toyota fan. This is what I got for 'buying American' after 9/11.
So, thanks again and I hope you all find this information useful and (sorry, tblazed) I vote for the 'butt-end-in-the-air-with-roof-racks' look, yes the lowered TB looks like the Forrester, but not quite like a minivan, however I made you all a picture so you can decide for yourselves:
#13863 of 18329 Victum of Vandels
Jan 24, 2004 (4:07 pm)
Do not what I must have done to someone, but found last night that someone had provided me with a free mod for my TB. Was very courteous of them to spare my hood and roof when they decided to key my truck.
A trip to the auto body shop today and the verdict is a total repaint is required.
The only lemon aide I can make of these lemons will be that the shop is willing to work with me on custom blending a more aggressive metal flake.
I have always wished I could get a bit more dazzle from the truck after detailing and now apparently I will. They will spray four panels for me each with a different level of roughness to the particles and allow me to chose my favorite.
No premium cost to do this either. Only adder for me will be the re painting of the bumpers to match
#13864 of 18329 What a pig!
Jan 25, 2004 (7:29 am)
I canít help but notice what a gas pig my truck is when temperature is really low with high usage of 4wd on snow packed roads for several days. The range on a tank (according to the DIC) in 2hi, warm temp and hiway miles can be over 310 miles (500 km). Lately its been 217 miles (350 km). I donít sit idling to much but collectively it could be a lot.
Has anybody done any hard numbers on their truck this who lives more in the Northern U.S. ?(this is the last time Iím going to show both units unless someone else who actually gives a #$ chimes in)
Cameokid and smokiejoe welcome.
Got to wonder about those comparison photos? With similar trim packages (fender flares etc) you just might have something there with the forester.
#13865 of 18329 "... lowered TB looks like the Forrester"
Jan 25, 2004 (7:58 am)
With the GF rear springs, in combination with the Hotchkis bar/bushing kit, I achieved exactly what I was after- a lower center of gravity and superior handling characteristics. I couldn't care less if a few people can't tell the difference between a Subaru and a Chevy. My goal was to tune the suspension for better street handling, cornering and stability. I achieved that goal.
#13866 of 18329 unintended consequences..
Jan 25, 2004 (10:02 am)
It's what you don't plan for that provides the greatest surprises. Relax Ed, it's just someones opinion. Besides, some people may like the look of the passive, subdued Forester over the aggressive, muscular looking Trailblazer. Thanks for providing the brand names of the suspension parts, now Subaru can get a second provider for the look they want.