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Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Buick Rainier, GMC Envoy XL, Isuzu Ascender, Oldsmobile Bravada, SUV
Aug 19, 2003 (4:55 am)
We have had our 2003 Trailblazer for 5 weeks and we have also started to notice the intermittent AC problems noted by many others in this forum. The service manager at our dealership here in Ohio says that they have seen the problem before.
Other than that, I must say that this is by far the nicest SUV we've ever owned. We previously had a 95 Jeep Grand Cherokee and a 96 Chevy Blazer. We had numerous problems with the Grand Cherokee's V8 engine and traded it in on the Blazer after only a year. Then our third child was born and we needed the third seat so we traded the Blazer in on a minivan after only a year. We've been waiting for at least 5 years for someone to build an SUV with three seats, (at least one smaller than the Expedition/Yukon/Suburban.
All in all, we're very satisfied with this vehicle.
#12548 of 18329 Bravada Running Boards
Aug 19, 2003 (5:55 am)
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Aug 20, 2003 (6:40 am)
I'm not trying to make this a debate between the two, but did anyone seriously cross shop the Explorer with the TB(or Envoy)? Also, have some of the problems thats early models had been fixed? The reason I ask is I am sort of considering a new vehicle to replace my lemon 2001 Oldsmobile Intrigue and I am actually considering an SUV. I looked at the TB and Envoy back in the summer of 01 when I bought the Intrigue and loved them, but at the time there were no discounts to be had. Now, they seem to have some pretty decent discounts on them. My likely choice would be a Trailblazer LT moderately equipped. Anyone lease one of these SUVs and if so, what kind of deal did you get? I had never considered the Explorer until a co-worker of mine had one as rental and I checked it out and was fairly impressed. Also, the automotive press seems to really love it's IRS. My initial impression between the two is that GM wins hands down in the powertrain department and the Ford seems to have better quality interior materials. Since I haven't seriously shopped either vehicle, thats pretty much it for my impressions so far.
#12550 of 18329 TB vs Explorer
Aug 20, 2003 (2:27 pm)
Not sure what the hype about Explorers IRS is. Most magazine agree the Triplets ride and handle better than the Ford. They are also better off road. The IRS does allow for a third seat without raising the roof and stretching it to limo size however.
Aug 20, 2003 (3:16 pm)
I didn't consider the Exploder because I don't particularly care for how Ford's generally drive.
I've had my TB 03 LTZ for about 2300 miles and haven't had any problems, hopefully won't have any
The only thing is the driver's door rattles a bit more than I would expect, other than that it's great. Super happy with it.
Aug 20, 2003 (6:31 pm)
My AC just quit working today during our 96 degree humid weather. I think reading about all these AC problems jinxed me...
#12553 of 18329 oldsman01 TB Vs. Explorer
Aug 20, 2003 (6:32 pm)
I've rented lots of Ford SUV's on business trips especially Explorer and overall they're okay and have never let me down, but I've always been annoyed by a few things that Ford hasn't gotten right in the last 30 years that I've been driving.
The vagueness of the way the shift lever, feels like you're not really sure which gear its gonna drop into; Steering has always seemed vague,too; and braking doesn't inspire any confidence either. I've heard the '04's are improved but I don't think they have a hydroformed frame, an I-6 engine as an option, or air suspension (ECAS) as an option either. Enlighten me if they do. Get the upgraded Bose stereo if you listen to music, its superb whatever your listening pleasure. And the get the limited slip differential.
Good luck on your choice.
A happy Envoy XL SLT owner.
#12554 of 18329 Oldsman01... Check out the new VW Toureg
Aug 20, 2003 (9:30 pm)
Don't know if you are in the market for a non-GM, FORD or Chrysler vehicle, but I highly recommend that you check out the new VW!
Just for kicks, I stopped by the local VW dealer the other day because they had several on their lots. Talk about quality! The materials inside and out of the VW were superb! Everything felt as if it was made to stand the test of time.
Depending on how much you want to spend, that may steer you away from the VW? I believe that the Toureg begins around the mid thirties and can end up at $53K (and some change). They come equipped with either a 6 or 8 cylinder and even a ride height adjustable suspension. Honestly, I was quite impressed. The exterior lines were beautiful and very classy looking indeed. I wish I would have waited a little longer because although I love my Envoy, I really LOVE the Toureg. It is definitely a head turner. Also, the Toureg is based off of the Porsche SUV platform and sports a lot of the same equipment for LESS money.
Aug 21, 2003 (8:01 am)
The Toureg is out of my price range. It's a nice looking rig, but if I'm going that route, I'll wait for the Cadillac SRX which looks to be a very impressive SUV. VWs do have very nice looking interiors, but some long term reviews I've read leave me questioning their long term quality. And I can't see spending 40K+ on a "people's car". Actually, if I had that much to spend there would be a Cadillac CTS sitting in my driveway. I've just recently considered the Explorer and TB because in reality I could use the utility and space an SUV affords(I could use not need) and with the discounts the prices on those two seem pretty good.
Aug 21, 2003 (8:02 am)
I guess we can agree to disagree but I'd stay away from the Toureg.
Over 5000 lbs. with a 220HP V-6 and slightly worse fuel economy. That's the 40 grand version. For 5 grand or so more you can get the 5300 lb. V-8 version. Why so heavy? Folks, that's fat not phat!
If you think you have reliability with the triplets, just wait till you get a Volkswagon. Not to mention, repair & maintenance costs are way more.
I do think the Germans know how to make good interiors and make cars fun to drive, but they've got most people fooled about their reliability. I guess I give them some credit for being able to fool people, though.