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Chevrolet TrailBlazer, GMC Envoy, Buick Rainier, GMC Envoy XL, Isuzu Ascender, Oldsmobile Bravada, SUV
#11046 of 18329 First-time SUV buyer looking for info and advice
May 02, 2003 (10:49 am)
Thanks for reading my post.
My wife and I are looking at mid-size SUV vehicles for their extra cargo capacity and the ability to carry our two dogs. We currently
drive a Toyota RAV4, but its a little tight with all our camping gear and the two dogs. I'm looking for some info and advice on a couple
things. First, I'd like some input on the handling/traction of the 2-wheel drive Trailblazer in snow or slick conditions. I'm concerned about fishtailing as my wife will be the main driver and we live in the wintry northeast. I'm not sure if I want to spend the extra $$$ to go for the 4-wheel drive. Also, Chevy offers traction control on the 2-wheel drive model for 2003. Does anyone have experience with that?? Does it prevent fishtailing?
I am also concerned with "real-world" fuel economy (not those theoretical EPA figures). Please let me know what kind of average
mpgs your getting and if you've got 4-wheel or 2-wheel drive.
I appreciate any advice you all can offer. Hopefully, I'll be able to
return the favor some day after we've made an intelligent decision on an SUV.
#11047 of 18329 on scoring and corrosion
May 02, 2003 (11:14 am)
tblazed, thank you for making my point. If there were no scoring there would be no recall, corrosion or not. The scoring weakened the brake line, and that is the issue.
#11048 of 18329 To: jmaxxx34 Re: First-Time SUV Buyer
May 02, 2003 (1:26 pm)
I own a 2WD 2003 Envoy with the traction control and locking rear differential. I used it all winter long in snowy St Louis and I had no problems! It was great with the snow and ice and even going up hills a couple of times I passed pickup trucks that were spinning their wheels and my Envoy just kept on driving! I had the same thought as you - I did not want the expense or hassle of the 4WD. I think the traction control is a good compromise. My vehicle came with the locking diff as standard equipment as well - I think the catch there was I bought an SLE with the comfort group and that was included as part of it if you already had the traction control. I really recommend getting both the traction control and the locking rear because they perform different functions.
Do you know how the traction control works? (I didn't know what it was when I bought my vehicle so please I am not trying to be condescending but I hope to inform you and others who read this). If the wheels start slipping, the traction control kicks in and it limits the power coming from your engine. I think it cuts the gas that you are providing via the pedal. It feels a little weird the first couple of times like your engine is dying but all it is doing is preventing you from revving your engine and slipping the wheels. Works real well. I never fishtailed or felt like the vehicle was going out of control. The only thing I noticed is that sometimes in deep snow it was a little harder to steer in a straight line but I never veered into traffic or anything like that. I always felt safe.
As far as gas mileage, I do the pencil-paper method of calculating and in the cold winter I averaged 13-15 mpg and now that it is warmer I am getting around 16-19 mpg (depends on how much is hwy driving).
Good luck and happy shopping!
#11050 of 18329 '03 Bravada
May 02, 2003 (4:52 pm)
Overall I am happy with my '03 Bravada. I have about 1750 mis on it now. I'm still sort of getting acquainted with the habits of the Bravada, but I have noticed that when I accelerate sharply from a stop, it seems to hesitate briefly when it shifts into 2nd. Almost seems like the engine is lugging. I read up the thread that some of you have had your triplets recalibrated with good results. I wonder if my Bravada can benefit from a PCM recalibration. I ran my vin on the calibration website and got the following:
Calibration History for :OPERATING SYSTEM Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
12577956 N/A N/A operating system
12579357 N/A N/A new software to improve generic scan tool operation
Calibration History for :ENGINE Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
12579051 0000BBD3 N/A engine
12579364 000063ED N/A new calibration to improve generic scan tool operation
Calibration History for :TRANSMISSION Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
12579076 00008696 N/A transmission
12580326 00008E4A N/A calibration change for tcc slip and / or dtc 1870
Calibration History for :SPEEDOMETER Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
12574173 00003C3C N/A speedometer
12580495 0000BB51 N/A part number change only, same content as prior calibration
Calibration History for :SYSTEM Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
12579156 0000C25D N/A system
12579377 0000256B N/A new calibration to improve generic scan tool operation
Calibration History for :Electronic Throttle Control Part Number CVN Bulletin # Description
12573673 N/A N/A electronic throttle control
#11051 of 18329 Re: Vent visors
May 03, 2003 (3:57 pm)
"I have no doubt it varies by application but for the triplets its outside mount."
Yep, from the pictures you can clearly see that they are mounted on the outside. And when I looked at mine (inside mount) today, I saw that the molding was sort of pushed out at the trailing edge of one of the front visors. Maybe outside is the way to go.
May 03, 2003 (5:29 pm)
please......The recall on the shifter is really out in left field.The government is stretching their power and if the General must comply;there must be a better fix than disabling a worthwhile feature.
#11053 of 18329 cargo shelf/gas mileage
May 04, 2003 (3:59 am)
Redline writes: "The cargo area features a hard cover that can be used as a shelf, and is durable enough to support the weight of a medium dog."
"Yeah, that's just what I'm going to do. Stick my dog in the back window on top of the cargo shelf, LOL."
The cargo shelf can be placed in a lower position near the floor as well as well as in the center area. It can also be installed at an angle as a wall/divider. It may be versatile, but I never use it.
As far as gas mileage is concerned, I have never reset my DIC. After lots of highway driving during the week, it reads around 20. After a weekend of around town, it drops to 16/17. I have 6,000 miles on my '03 Envoy XL SLT and find the average mileage reading accurate when I figure it with a calculator after a fill up, but am thinking that it can't be considering all miles driven since day one. If it did, it wouldn't fluctuate so much or equal my manual figuring.
Any thoughts on this?
#11054 of 18329 Re: DIC avg mpg
May 04, 2003 (9:41 am)
It has to be resetting itself at some interval. As you said, there is no way your "all miles included" mpg could fluctuate like that after substantial miles are included. I find the DIC a little screwy in that it fairly often is on a different display at startup from where I left it at shutdown. It wouldn't surprise me at all if a bug/glitch was resetting your average.
#11055 of 18329 st1100v4/DIC
May 04, 2003 (10:41 am)
My DIC is always on the same display where I left it. I also don't think it changes due to different driver settings.
I imagine that the average mileage will fluctuate less and less as more miles are driven. Maybe it is fairly accurate.